Liberty Safes Provides Access Codes to FBI

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Gun safe maker gives FBI customer's safe access code; FBI raids home

Liberty Safe, a popular gun safe maker, gave one of its customer’s access codes to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) last week, the company

americanmilitarynews.com

Thoughts? Seems like law enforcement would cut their way in otherwise if they were really motivated.

 

[eddielasvegas]

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."

Act accordingly.


Eddie

 

[Steve300xcw]

Be interesting to know if they gave out the combo, or if there is a master code that they gave out

 

[CorbLand]

Be interesting to know if they gave out the combo, or if there is a master code that they gave out

If its a digital pad, it would have to be a master code because you can change the combo, if I am not mistaken.

If its a dial, they would probably have the code on file.

 

[roadrunner]

So...how did the FBI even know the safe was there to be listed on the warrent???

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Yeah, I'd be interested to see if the warrant specifically included search of the safe.

Not sure what legal precedent is for that re: 4th/5th amendments.

 

[BBob]

So...how did the FBI even know the safe was there to be listed on the warrent???

In other news it was reported it wasn't specifically on the warrant and the code was obtained after a phone call to Liberty.

 

[wyogoat]

The warrant doesn’t need to include the safe necessarily. They can open anything in that house that can store what they have specified in the warrant.
Inevitably they would get in the safe regardless of how so at least this way the safe is still functional. Not sure why people would be worked up with Liberty over it. Provide the master or cut the bars and ruin the safe…they were getting in.
And it’s a 4th amendment issue.

 

[Laelkhunter]

Yeah, I'd be interested to see if the warrant specifically included search of the safe.

Not sure what legal precedent is for that re: 4th/5th amendments.

The warrant doesn’t need to include the safe necessarily. They can open anything in that house that can store what they have specified in the warrant.
Inevitably they would get in the safe regardless of how so at least this way the safe is still functional. Not sure why people would be worked up with Liberty over it. Provide the master or cut the bars and ruin the safe…they were getting in.
And it’s a 4th amendment issue.

Correct. If they are looking for a watch, gun, etc (as specified in the warrant) they can legally search anything that that item can be hidden in. If looking for a 72 inch tv, they can't search the safe. Lots of warrants might include "illegal narcotics and paraphernalia" which will give them legal reason to search just about everything that could contain what the warrant lists.

 

[Gutshot007]

Looks like the fbi is still hunting down january 6th folks according to the article .

 

[Sccritterkiller]

The warrant doesn’t need to include the safe necessarily. They can open anything in that house that can store what they have specified in the warrant.
Inevitably they would get in the safe regardless of how so at least this way the safe is still functional. Not sure why people would be worked up with Liberty over it. Provide the master or cut the bars and ruin the safe…they were getting in.
And it’s a 4th amendment issue.

Seems like calling a locksmith would be a lot easier/faster than trying to cut into it, especially if it is bolted down.

I swapped out the electronic locks out my Liberties years ago...went to mechanical.

 

[Wrench]

I have a drug siezed safe. When I bought it, there was two holes drilled in the door. One wiped the relocker and the other the lock. I rebuilt the door and located a different relocker in a different location. The law knows how to get in.....I guarantee it.

 

[OMF]

And if it really bothers you buy a different brand. But I think they'd all do it anyways.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I'm not sure I'm mad at Liberty, don't like it but they're kind of in a tough spot. They probably keep a master code so they can help all the idiots who lock themselves out of their own safes.

Looks like the fbi is still hunting down january 6th folks according to the article .

Making an example out of folks, remember folks "Nobody ***** with a Biden."

 

[MattB]

Not sure why this was news or thread-worthy. LE would access the contents of the safe one way or another.

 

[TxLite]

The law knows how to get in.....I guarantee it.

Getting in through forced entry is different than giving out the code over a phone call in my opinion. Not very reassuring when a safe company is just willing to give out your combination. Would’ve rather had them say no personally.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

I have a drug siezed safe. When I bought it, there was two holes drilled in the door. One wiped the relocker and the other the lock. I rebuilt the door and located a different relocker in a different location. The law knows how to get in.....I guarantee it.

Yep they call a locksmith.

 

[thegrouse]

The halligan will make short work of most safes.

 

[Laelkhunter]

Be interesting to know if they gave out the combo, or if there is a master code that they gave out

When the safe comes from the factory, it has a generic code to open it, but you are supposed to change it to your personal combination. Apparently he didn't do that so he left the original combo that Liberty had. I doubt that he would have called and gave it to Liberty if he changed it himself.

 

[Goatie]

It’s thread worthy because liberty has no obligation to provide a master code or key. Apple did the same thing with a shooting years ago but didn’t give access to a phone owned by the suspect. For gun owners it is worth knowing which companies respect your rights and doesn’t fold to alphabet groups for their given agenda.