Liberty Safes Provides Access Codes to FBI

[svivian]

If Liberty is changing their policy then it doesn't sound like they were given a warrant or any legal documentation. someone screwed up....

In regards to the arguments about apps, phones etc.. they all have privacy agreements you have to agree to aka making a choice. Same reason when you visit a website you have to allow it track your cookies if they are taking and storing your information to possibly sell later.

 

[Yoder]

Probably because those idiots were smart enough to conceal their identity while committing crimes. The Jan 6 retards weren’t.

Probably because the FBI is bought and paid for by the uni party and doesn't care about the law or justice. There were thousands of people with no disguise of any kind during the BLM " mostly peaceful protests." At the same time, the FBI had drones in the air over every riot. If you think that's conspiracy theory, just look at the Kyle Rittenhouse case. They had footage of the entire incident.

 

[Red Letters]

Probably because those idiots were smart enough to conceal their identity while committing crimes. The Jan 6 retards weren’t.

Because they aren’t criminals nor were the majority of citizens committing crimes, agent provocateurs coerced a few gullibles to act out everything else was staged. It’s well documented hundreds of feds were pretending to be Trump supporters they are on tape tearing down fencing, barriers for restricted areas were removed so that people could be charged that never stepped foot inside the capital. Capital police opened doors and let people inside the capital and they were later charged. There were actually criminals there causing damage the problem is the feds paid them to participate. Not counting the people like Jaden X who was paid to film much like pelosi relatives who just happened to be filming and documenting inside the capital.

and these retards as you called them had their bank and phone records willing turned over to the same feds that orchestrated the entire event. Much like the story in this thread, the feds were fishing for a crime by gaining access to this guys safe. Not taking into account the license plate readers and every other bit of technology the government used to identify these so called retards, that weren’t smart enough to “conceal their identities”

 

[GSPHUNTER]

He was charged with felony offense of civil disorder and misdemeanor of entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds . He was caught on video of " using his elbow to strike in the direction of police" . I found nothing about firearm charges . FBI have arrested 1,106 people associated with jan 6th

So, back to my question, IF, he did not have a firearm with him at the capital, on what grounds would they have to search his safe.????

 

[menhaden_man]

One more before this one gets canned

 

[TxLite]

So, back to my question, IF, he did not have a firearm with him at the capital, on what grounds would they have to search his safe.????

People store all sorts of documents and items in safes. Maybe they were looking for additional evidence to prove he was there. Who knows

 

[Htm84]

Because they aren’t criminals nor were the majority of citizens committing crimes, agent provocateurs coerced a few gullibles to act out everything else was staged. It’s well documented hundreds of feds were pretending to be Trump supporters they are on tape tearing down fencing, barriers for restricted areas were removed so that people could be charged that never stepped foot inside the capital. Capital police opened doors and let people inside the capital and they were later charged. There were actually criminals there causing damage the problem is the feds paid them to participate. Not counting the people like Jaden X who was paid to film much like pelosi relatives who just happened to be filming and documenting inside the capital.

and these retards as you called them had their bank and phone records willing turned over to the same feds that orchestrated the entire event. Much like the story in this thread, the feds were fishing for a crime by gaining access to this guys safe. Not taking into account the license plate readers and every other bit of technology the government used to identify these so called retards, that weren’t smart enough to “conceal their identities”

Meh. I started typing something but said **** it. I’m not changing your mind and you’re not changing mine. Have a great day.

 

[t_carlson]

The safe isn’t its own entity. It’s encompassed by the warrant so no extra warrant needed simply because it is secure. The same is true for a safe found during a vehicle search which is one of the few times a search may be conducted without a warrant when PC exists. Some of this stuff is really easy to research and understand guys.

No, apparently not "really easy" because you got it wrong. I spent 3 years studying it in law school. It all comes down to what is in the warrant, which I really doubt you have read.

Liberty was provided with a valid search warrant which is the requirement under company policy to provide that sort of information to law enforcement. The company stated it has refused numerous LE requests in the past when they were not provided a valid search warrant (which likewise aligns with company policy).

Are you suggesting that Liberty should have told the Feds to piss up a rope when presented with a search warrant and to go get a subpoena if they wanted the combination?

Yes. That is exactly what people are suggesting.

Don't help the feds one bit.

Unfortunately, the Democrats have weaponized our government and private sector from top to bottom. Whether Liberty wants to or not, it will have to pick a side.

No, they wouldn't. If they have a warrant to search the property and the safe is on the property, why do you think that they would need a separate warrant to search the contents of the safe?

People are working awfully hard to demonize Liberty.

People are working hard to defend a warrant and PC affidavit they haven't read...

I know a few of the agents on that task force and they are good dudes. Guys that hunt and own guns and shoot. They aren’t out to oppress or infringe on anyone’s rights. It takes a lot to forcibly enter someone’s home and stand in their living room and go through that persons wife’s underwear drawer.

They will oppress and infringe all day long if its an order from the top. Count on it.

Read up on the Milgram Experiment sometime. The psychological principles still apply.

I guess I have to agree with some of the guys here being on the government payroll. Same guys show up in every thread defending everything the government does and trying to smear the thread topic along with anyone commenting on what is actually taking place.

There is a reason .gov employees tend to vote D.

It laughable to think that someone is a “good guy just because they hunt, have guns and shoot. It’s also laughable to think that because someone has a certain (law enforcement background) makes them an expert or that they are right. I’ve literally watched LEOs stumble out of a bar shit faced, bragging how they won’t get a DUI and they write the same ticket they “won’t get” because of”just doing their job”

Yep. The "Thin Blue Line" has been and will be a tool of the government to strip individuals of their rights.

Just look at how they "protect and serve" in these big cities. Criminals run rampant but if Daniel Penny defends a subway car of innocent bystanders, they don't think twice about trampling on his freedom.

Where do you get your news? Every source I have read indicated Liberty was provided a warrant in this case, and that the company has a long-standing policy of requiring a warrant to provide access and has refused many requests where a warrant was not provided (not a new policy as you suggest).

You don't seem to understand a basic principle of private property ownership. That safe was the defendant's property. If he wants to say F the feds and make them open it with a grinder, then that is HIS prerogative, NOT Liberty's.

They had no moral or ethical right to allow access to a third party without the owner's consent.

Are people coming down too hard on Liberty? Maybe. But it takes a lot of effort to turn a big ship around. Much like Bud Light, Liberty needs to be made an example so that other companies take notice and act accordingly.

There is nothing wild about this. January 6 drama aside, if law enforcement has probable cause to apply for a warrant and a judge signs off on it, companies are legally required to cooperate with the warrant. That is all that happened here. Happens every day with technology warrants.

Again, im just speaking to the process of the actual warrant and company’s compliance. Not Jan 6 drama or political stuff.

No. The warrant was directed at the defendant's property, not Liberty's files. They would have needed an investigative subpoena specifically issued by a judge to Liberty or probable cause and a warrant that evidence of a crime was in Liberty's possession. The code for the safe was NOT evidence of a crime.

Legal distinctions may be semantic, but they are what our system is built around.

 

[t_carlson]

People store all sorts of documents and items in safes. Maybe they were looking for additional evidence to prove he was there. Who knows

No, it was a fishing expedition.

Law enforcement will write a warrant in the most broad, sweeping terms they think they can get a judge to sign. That will increase the odds of them stumbling across something else illegal during the search for evidence of the initial crime.

They were probably hoping to discover something like a bump stock or pistol brace inside of that safe under the guise of looking for evidence for a Jan. 6 prosecution.