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S.Clancy said:
I don't know why my housing would go up 20-30%. It would take my property taxes tripling from current values to do that.

Maybe groceries will. If they went up 30% that would be like 125$ a month.

I'm just not really a consumer, so I don't really buy other shit, besides tags. I literally spend more on hunting (gas and tags) than I do food a year. Saying that out loud sounds ridiculous.
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Well, at least gas should come down.
 
However you feel about this...

We all have to admit one thing. Trump ran a campaign on tariffs and is doing exactly that. At least we have someone doing what they said they were going to do. I get so sick of politicians telling us what they are going to do then basically doing nothing they promised when elected.

I think everyone needs to be patient with this. Most of us that did their research knew the stock market was going to flutter when these tariffs were implemented. Not sure why everyone is shocked. I certainly wasn't. The rich don't like when their wealth from cheap labor gets messed with, so they punish the working class. Trump made this clear before he was even elected. There would be temporary hardship while we try a new path for the country.

It's going to take years and probably decades to get back a portion of what we lost over decades of our leaders selling the working class off to Asia.

For those talking about automation in the manufacturing field. You would be surprised how many manufacturing jobs still exist with the use of robots. Automation helps speed things up, but watch a video of Ford building Bronco's in Michigan or any other industry using robots. Those facilities have thousands of folks on the floor doing labor jobs in conjunction with robotics. Building products whether it be automobiles, textiles, furniture, etc....are a little more complex than McDonalds putting in Kiosks to replace someone day dreaming behind the front counter.

No politician, besides Trump, has a plan to get this country on the right path. At least we have someone looking out for the American worker for once. No other politician seems to give a damn. They all watch their insider trade stocks soar, while the rest of the country becomes a wasteland of what is once was.
 
KurtR said:
The being able to sit down and discuss differing view points and coming to solutions that uses good from both points is something that has been lost. Its seems its always a hard line in the sand and no one will cross to fix anything
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Exactly, that is the problem. Everything from “the other side” is bad no matter what it is and used a political fodder. Compromise is no longer a reality in our current system, yet most of the answers are in the middle ground.
 
I don't remember the Rokslide and Facebook posts of the 2007-08 market crash that stemmed from Clinton's sub-prime home loan mandates. I am sure the same experts on these platforms who are crying foul now were also up in arms about that back then...
 
Are tariffs going to make another county pay, or make the business pay that now brings things back on-shore? The company moves back to US as tariffs killing them, and then makes it here in the future, now you are no longer getting the tariff revenue. And the company has to pay for this re-invention of their business model, raises prices to keep their business afloat, or pay more in wages. Nike pays someone 5-10k a year in Asia, no way they can afford to pay US worker to make sneakers.....bleach in veins for covid, tariffs in economy for wealth, no surprise here this is transpiring
 
deltadukman said:
I don't remember the Rokslide and Facebook posts of the 2007-08 market crash that stemmed from Clinton's sub-prime home loan mandates. I am sure the same experts on these platforms who are crying foul now were also up in arms about that back then...
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Do you mean The Housing and Community Development Act of 1992 that mandated 30% or more of Fannie and Feddie loans had to be related to affordable housing? The one Bush signed?
 
deltadukman said:
I don't remember the Rokslide and Facebook posts of the 2007-08 market crash that stemmed from Clinton's sub-prime home loan mandates. I am sure the same experts on these platforms who are crying foul now were also up in arms about that back then...
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I would be more concerned if you did remember the Rokslide posts from the 2007-2008 market crash.
 
TandKHunting said:
However you feel about this...

We all have to admit one thing. Trump ran a campaign on tariffs and is doing exactly that. At least we have someone doing what they said they were going to do. I get so sick of politicians telling us what they are going to do then basically doing nothing they promised when elected.

I think everyone needs to be patient with this. Most of us that did their research knew the stock market was going to flutter when these tariffs were implemented. Not sure why everyone is shocked. I certainly wasn't. The rich don't like when their wealth from cheap labor gets messed with, so they punish the working class. Trump made this clear before he was even elected. There would be temporary hardship while we try a new path for the country.

It's going to take years and probably decades to get back a portion of what we lost over decades of our leaders selling the working class off to Asia.

For those talking about automation in the manufacturing field. You would be surprised how many manufacturing jobs still exist with the use of robots. Automation helps speed things up, but watch a video of Ford building Bronco's in Michigan or any other industry using robots. Those facilities have thousands of folks on the floor doing labor jobs in conjunction with robotics. Building products whether it be automobiles, textiles, furniture, etc....are a little more complex than McDonalds putting in Kiosks to replace someone day dreaming behind the front counter.

No politician, besides Trump, has a plan to get this country on the right path. At least we have someone looking out for the American worker for once. No other politician seems to give a damn. They all watch their insider trade stocks soar, while the rest of the country becomes a wasteland of what is once was.
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Question though...as someone that would like to learn from people that actually deal with manufacturing.

Is it that those jobs are still required and not shipped overseas already due to the complexity of them?

If that is true, and one of the intent of these tariffs is to bring overseas jobs home, and they went there due to cheaper labor prices and low complexity...how is that the same?

The automotive industry is also heavily unionized and that union has a big incentive to keep people working as robots dont pay dues.

I dont think its a stretch to see that putting a vehicle together is far more complex than putting a headlamp together or a computer or a hotwheels.
 
CorbLand said:
That's weird. I kind of thought this was a pretty balanced discussion with people pointing out issues on both sides.
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It has been until people just throw around "Libtard" and other chit. Wild to imagine for a moment that it's okay and normal to not blindly agree with every DJT and co do and that doesn't make you a leftist or having "TDS".

Speaking of the obsession with TDS...
www.newsweek.com

Republican behind 'Trump derangement' Bill quits after sex charge

The Minnesota state Senator is accused of soliciting prostitution from someone he believed to be a minor.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
 
Money doesn't go where it's wanted, money goes where it is treated well.

Jobs flow to places where value-production is treated well.

Manufacturing wasn't nearly wiped out in America by paying labor well - it was nearly wiped out by the home environment being inhospitable to value-production, by way of high regulation and taxation.

Those jobs left to places with less regulation and taxation - to where the environment was more hospitable for value production.

Germany and Japan didn't build their #2 and #3 largest economies in the globe from the 70s-2000s with cheap labor - they did it by making their environments more hospitable to value production. In large part, by having import tariffs on US goods while getting "free-trade" in return.

Dubai didn't get exceedingly wealthy from oil - it did it by making the environment as welcoming as possible to value-production, with zero corporate taxes and little regulation.

Money and jobs (value and value-creation) go where they are treated well. It really is that simple.
 
deltadukman said:
I don't remember the Rokslide and Facebook posts of the 2007-08 market crash that stemmed from Clinton's sub-prime home loan mandates. I am sure the same experts on these platforms who are crying foul now were also up in arms about that back then...
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I was up in arms even before it fell apart because it was destined to do exactly what it did from the start. People buying things they can’t afford running up their debt aren’t much different than I nation buying things it can’t afford and running up its debt- sooner or later everything breaks.


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Sure seems like a lot of feelings and not a lot of facts. If anything everyone has been far too friendly and hopeful about this mess. It's unfortunate the average American won't even dig into this enough to see the numbers claimed are BS or at the very least being completely misrepresented.
 
I thought I heard somewhere that the US was tired of being taken advantage of by a lot of countries and that the we voted for a president to even things out. I think Trump is doing everything he said he was going to do. Nobody wants a trade war but everyone wants fair trade. The goal isn’t to destroy the market or make things unaffordable for families, it’s to get fair and even trade.
 
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