Legalized robbery that needs to stop.

[taskswap]

You would think the disparate treatment of non-residents would violate the equal protection clause, but that's not how the federal courts see it.

Its not a protected class.

 

[taskswap]

I never knew adult men that could bitch so hard about something

LOL I can sprain my ankle sleeping. Hunt season's aways away for me and a lot of us I suppose. We can bitch about a LOT of things.

 

[Marshfly]

You know what's the coolest part about Wyoming? They let you move there! And they don't even charge you! And you get to move into the resident license pool! So fricking cool!

 

[wyogoat]

 

[Hnthrdr]

Its a "trick" to offer a park pass cheaper with your registration than at the parks after the fact and there is literally a question of whether you want it or not while completing the registration process? Talk about not taking personal accountability... geesh.

"They asked me if I wanted to pay but I didn't read the question and just clicked past it, they tricked me!" ???

I know my older parents got it and didn’t have much a clue what it was. I sure didn’t… they are doing this to get ahead of the tag cuts that are on the way… can’t sell tags when predators eat themselves out of house and home

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I know my older parents got it and didn’t have much a clue what it was. I sure didn’t… they are doing this to get ahead of the tag cuts that are on the way… can’t sell tags when predators eat themselves out of house and home

I don't think this has anything to do with tag cuts, I believe hunting funds from tags are separate than park funds?

Regardless of that they put out literature on this issue and literally have a question with a check box stating what the pass is and whether you want it. Yes it is automatically checked but it merely takes reading a couple sentences to clearly understand its an optional fee you can deselect. Also you have 60days to request a refund if you were somehow confused on the matter. I have been in the DMV when registering a new vehicle and listened to them explicitly asking folks in person if they wanted that purchase that option or not. Details of this are at the top of any search engine. They haven't tricked anyone, its laughable to suggest they have (or an embarrassing admission that you aren't reading what you sign?). Personally I was pleased they offer a $29 parks pass with my registration versus $80 if you purchase a pass separately. They've brought a discount to folks that will encourage folks to utilize the parks and/or an avenue for folks to easily make a donation to the parks during their vehicle registration if they don't plan to actually use the parks. This is something commonly done in other states for their registrations too by the way, not some new sneaky thing from the CPW.

 

[TheArdentOutdoorsman]

This does make my stomach churn just because we know damn well not all those tens of millions are being poured back into the systems we support.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I don't think this has anything to do with tag cuts, I believe hunting funds from tags are separate than park funds?

Regardless of that they put out literature on this issue and literally have a question with a check box stating what the pass is and whether you want it. Yes it is automatically checked but it merely takes reading a couple sentences to clearly understand its an optional fee you can deselect. Also you have 60days to request a refund if you were somehow confused on the matter. I have been in the DMV when registering a new vehicle and listened to them explicitly asking folks in person if they wanted that purchase that option or not. Details of this are at the top of any search engine. They haven't tricked anyone, its laughable to suggest they have (or an embarrassing admission that you aren't reading what you sign?). Personally I was pleased they offer a $29 parks pass with my registration versus $80 if you purchase a pass separately. They've brought a discount to folks that will encourage folks to utilize the parks and/or an avenue for folks to easily make a donation to the parks during their vehicle registration if they don't plan to actually use the parks. This is something commonly done in other states for their registrations too by the way, not some new sneaky thing from the CPW.

Nope CPW, is a new monster which came about a few years back. Used to be DOW and Parks were separate. The gov combined the two since parks was in the hole something like 28 million dollars supposedly just a little accounting error , so they married the two agencies so DOW could carry Parks.

Not embarrassed that my 70 something folks weren’t on top of it. Parks loses money and does very little to contribute to the funding of “CPW” maybe it is a good thing or maybe it is just another Fee that the state is slipping in, Co sure loves the fees

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Nope CPW, is a new monster which came about a few years back. Used to be DOW and Parks were separate. The gov combined the two since parks was in the hole something like 28 million dollars supposedly just a little accounting error , so they married the two agencies so DOW could carry Parks.

Yes I am aware they used to be separate. Anyways them providing an easy voluntary method for the masses to contribute to the CPW isn't a negative imho, means the parks can carry more of their own weight vs relying on hunting/fishing funds.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Yes I am aware they used to be separate. Anyways them providing an easy voluntary method for the masses to contribute to the CPW isn't a negative imho, means the parks can carry more of their own weight vs relying on hunting/fishing funds.

Don’t want to go down this rabbit hole too much. But I used to think it was a good idea, same with a bike or backpack tax… but when you peel back the layers you realize there is a serious anti hunting contingent in this state, the first man is leading the charge and they are trying to get rid of the consumptive users in this state. As money flows in from other groups and not solely from hunters and anglers we lose our voice/ seat at the table. Look at the current wildlife commissions make up… they would be more than happy to find dollars somewhere else all part of dismantling the NAWM

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Don’t want to go down this rabbit hole too much. But I used to think it was a good idea, same with a bike or backpack tax… but when you peel back the layers you realize there is a serious anti hunting contingent in this state, the first man is leading the charge and they are trying to get rid of the consumptive users in this state. As money flows in from other groups and not solely from hunters and anglers we lose our voice/ seat at the table. Look at the current wildlife commissions make up… they would be more than happy to find dollars somewhere else all part of dismantling the NAWM

Yes/no, I get where you're coming from. I think park funds should stick with parks and vice versa. Folks paying for parks shouldn't give them strong oversight on wildlife stuff. BUT we do need to curb stomp the lion/bobcat initiative this fall to send a clear message to our current gov makeup who's been taking notes from the CA and WA playbook of infiltrating the game commission and screwing with hunting.

We'll see if there is any backlash in the upcoming CO elections with rising crime levels, etc. due to the policies of the current gov. But it requires all the front range voters to realize this is all a reflection of that which may be a bridge too far. My timeline in this state might become limited if things continue the direction they've been going.

Anyways, back to complaining about WY.

 

[cuerro viejo]

12 million a year vs 100k in PP alone. Also maxing out P&R money with NR licenses numbers.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Yes/no, I get where you're coming from. I think park funds should stick with parks and vice versa. Folks paying for parks shouldn't give them strong oversight on wildlife stuff. BUT we do need to curb stomp the lion/bobcat initiative this fall to send a clear message to our current gov makeup who's been taking notes from the CA and WA playbook of infiltrating the game commission and screwing with hunting.

We'll see if there is any backlash in the upcoming CO elections with rising crime levels, etc. due to the policies of the current gov. But it requires all the front range voters to realize this is all a reflection of that which may be a bridge too far. My timeline in this state might become limited if things continue the direction they've been going.

Anyways, back to complaining about WY.

Absolutely agree on parks funds staying in parks and wildlife staying with wildlife, but the powers that be don’t see it that way.

Yep we can always hope voters change, but I’m not terribly optimistic, really hope we can squash the lion/bobcat ban too!

Yep now back to folks pissed at Wyo haha

 

[NRA4LIFE]

Unfortunately it will never stop. Only get worse.

 

[KenLee]

Absolutely agree on parks funds staying in parks and wildlife staying with wildlife, but the powers that be don’t see it that way.

Yep we can always hope voters change, but I’m not terribly optimistic, really hope we can squash the lion/bobcat ban too!

Yep now back to folks pissed at Wyo haha

Great for residents. Why would they vote out their representatives?

 

[Hnthrdr]

Great for residents. Why would they vote out their representatives?

Don’t have the time to explain it all really and not trying to derail this “pissed at Wyoming” thread anymore than I have, but you have to have lived in Co for more than 10 years to see that the state is not heading in the right direction in terms of crime, inflation, and affordability.

 

[KenLee]

Don’t have the time to explain it all really and not trying to derail this “pissed at Wyoming” thread anymore than I have, but you have to have lived in Co for more than 10 years to see that the state is not heading in the right direction in terms of crime, inflation, and affordability.

I was talking about Wyoming and the OP's gripe. I don't care about CO. It can dissappear like CA as far as I'm concerned. I tend to skip any details concerning CO.
The only thing good about CO was the TV show about detective Joe Kenda. He was funny.

 

[Archer86]

12 million a year vs 100k in PP alone. Also maxing out P&R money with NR licenses numbers.

This must be a colorado thing maxing out pr funds with licenses sales would only happen in a state where they sell more nr licenses then resident licenses. Hopefully colorado will end that soon

 

[Marbles]

This is like trying to explain that the prostitute raped you and stole your $5 dollars...... Yes, I assume someone who thinks that is robbery would be paying in that range.

 

[slimC]

56M revenue not exactly big business. Would pretty much be qualified as a small business by revenue amount.