Learn from my trespassing mistake in Idaho!!!!!

Sounds like it was posted but probably not at all specific boundaries.
Exactly. And the landowner should not receive the benefits of the law if they aren’t meeting the notice requirement.

OP could only see the signs after crossing the gate.

This “note” from Idaho GF correctly restates Idaho 18-7008.


idfg.idaho.gov

Brush up on Idaho's trespassing laws before you go hunting or fishing

 

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Exactly. And the landowner should not receive the benefits of the law if they aren’t meeting the notice requirement.

OP could only see the signs after crossing the gate.

This “note” from Idaho GF correctly restates Idaho 18-7008.


idfg.idaho.gov

Brush up on Idaho's trespassing laws before you go hunting or fishing

I'm very familiar with the law, I hunt adjacent to private every year, just had to gloss over the OP to see that it wasn't marked where he entered as it should have been.
 
I hunt adjacent to private every year too. It is not marked or fenced for the most part, except where the access trail crosses through form private to wilderness. I see plenty of buck sign on the way in on the private, and sometimes a nice buck… on the private. I know the owner, on friendly terms, and he even lets me park my truck on his land for a week while we’re in the wilderness.

When we get to camp, we don’t even hunt the ridge that abuts the private land because we don’t want to make a boundary mistake and piss off the owner, or worse get a serious violation. I don’t even want to have the “I shot him on the wilderness but he ran into private” conversation. There’s plenty of acreage left without taking that risk for me. YMMV.

Again no judgement on the OP. He’s trying to help.
 
Agreed. SO much ignorance on this thread. Of COURSE the legal requirements were met for posting. Otherwise he wouldn’t have received a citation.

The Wilkes bros ASSUREDLY meet that standard because they know no CO would scratch a ticket otherwise, as they so unpopular in Idaho.

My last post on this thread though, as the closet Matlocks on this thread simply have too much ignorance to overcome.

Note that MOST are non-residents posting this ignorance fwtw. Idaho folks know better for the most part.
 
Agreed. SO much ignorance on this thread. Of COURSE the legal requirements were met for posting. Otherwise he wouldn’t have received a citation.

The Wilkes bros ASSUREDLY meet that standard because they know no CO would scratch a ticket otherwise, as they so unpopular in Idaho.

My last post on this thread though, as the closet Matlocks on this thread simply have too much ignorance to overcome.

Note that MOST are non-residents posting this ignorance fwtw. Idaho folks know better for the most part.

This is the OP’s thread, so shouldn’t we assume he is telling the truth when he says the gate wasn’t signed on the back side?

Maybe you should start your own fictional thread where the billionaire landowners and Game Warden are incapable of making mistakes.
 
But as a cop myself………And Game wardens are the worst offenders, too. They'll search your whole boat with no warrant just to make sure you have a safety whistle on board....If I started searching private property the way they do, I'd be spending most of my week in federal court getting dragged over the coals regarding the blatant 4th amendment violations.....Oh, but the game warden wants to make sure the fish are all 12 inches and not 11?

you must be one hell of a “cop” :ROFLMAO:
 
Feel free to post the "you are a dumbass" comments here but hopefully I can save some other new hunter some stress.

I got my first bull elk in I Idaho last fall on state land. I came up through public land early in the dark and waited for daylight. I got my bull first thing in the morning and got it tagged and bagged very early. I spent the next several hours moving the game bags around to keep them cool while waiting on the other hunters in the group to call it a day. I had the proper tag, weapon and location. As the day progressed I started feeling the need to expedite getting the elk to the processor. See where I am going with this?

A very thin strip of land along the highway below us had been private Potlatch Latch land for decades and the gates were open and the public routinely used the road to access public lands above it. This land is now owned by the billionaire Wilks Brothers and was on OnX. I rode down an unmarked road on my bicycle and the gate at the very bottom was now closed and locked. It was marked private on the opposite side and visible only when on the other side. I should have turned around and rode back up. The gate was about 100 yards from the highway so I tossed my bike over the gate and rode out to the highway. I was on that land for about 90 seconds. Unfortunately for me Idaho Fish and Game drove by as I was getting the elk loaded into a truck to get it to the processor. At this point I still had no clue of the gravity of the situation!! I felt no cause for concern and with a smile went to meet the officer to provide my ID and documents. At that point in my 58 years I had never even had a parking ticket and was new to hunting.

I got a ticket for trespass to hunt and thanks to the Wilks brothers Idaho trespassing laws became a VERY BIG DEAL in 2018. There have been attempts in the legislature to not allow people to buy very small parcels of land to block access to thousands but thus far the billionaire lobbyist have blocked it. The ticketing officer told me I better get an attorney. What?? I rode my bike across a dirt road where there were no people, structures, or farmland and I did not damage anything.

Fast forward 4 months and the best offer from the county prosecutor was loss of my elk, $1500 fine, loss of nationwide hunting privileges for a year, 90 day suspended jail sentence, 40 hours of community service and 1 year of probation. One would think I cut a lock, shot my elk on private land and rolled around in the dirt with the officer. My friends were hunting the same area the day after I got my ticket and the officer was there confirming where my elk carcass was. It was of course exactly where I told him it was. The charges were strictly for being on private land. If I heard this story I would say someone is full of $hit because something is missing here. It is not. I worked side by side with law enforcement for my career and I definitely passed the attitude test and left nothing but bicycle tracks on private land.

I intended to go to a Jury trial based on the charges and it wasn't until the last hearing the prosecutor dropped the suspended jail time and probation. Fortunately the judge was a decent person and advised me, after I pled guilty, of an Idaho law that will show this case as dismissed in one year and will not show up anywhere.

I think the officer had an ax to grind with one of the people in our camp and I got caught up in it.

IMPORTANT LESSONS

1. Know where you are in Idaho and stay off of private land. It is the hunters responsibility to know.

2. SHUT THE **** UP!! The officer did not see anything and had no proof. I was just a naive dumbass. I have friends that are cops and judges and they have always said never say anything. He kept me there for over an hour questioning me a building a case. At one point I said "can I just go to town and plead guilty and pay my fine?" At that point I thought I was dealing with something like a parking ticket. Guess what video clip he submitted without context? If I could do it again I would have provided my documentation politely said nothing else. I will never share seemingly harmless information again.

Okay there is my humiliating story. Hopefully someone learns from this and turns around when onX tells them to and remember STFU! I cant imagine how terrible it would have been if I had damaged private property or shot my elk on private land!
Wilks brothers. Enough said.

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Let me start by saying I appreciate you sharing your story and putting yourself out there for criticism.

You deserve that criticism though my friend. You knowingly violated the law. While you admitted that, you’re minimizing your responsibility by throwing in “billionaires” and “90 seconds” and how the road used to be open and how you’re simply trying to save the meat. I’m not saying those things are wrong, but your focus on them does show a lack of personal accountability imho.

You knowingly and willing violated the law and trespassed on another man’s land…full stop. The Wilkes bros didn’t pass any laws in 2018…the legislators elected by Idaho citizens did. If the landowner is poor does that make it less of a violation for some reason?

I’ll finish with this. It’s easy to second guess you when I wasn’t in your shoes. I can’t swear that I wouldn’t do the same. The only difference is I’d like to think I’d just own it and live with the outcome.

My sentiment about this isn’t because you broke the law. My comment is focused on your continued lack of accountability. It’s not IDFGs fault. It’s not Wilkes bros fault. It’s yours…that’s all.

Again, sincerely appreciate you sharing and it will certainly give me pause should I find myself in that situation in the future.

Dave
Except that the Wilkes brothers did get that legislation pushed through. You underestimate their influence in the state house.

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I see both sides of this, however, I feel for the OP. In my opinion, a good law enforcement has the opportunity to understand whether there was malicious intent and determine how strict they should be in the situation. The majority of people break the law every day driving. Most go several miles over the speed limit, and some dangerously are over. To treat someone going 1 mph over the speed limit the same as someone going 15 mph, is the discretion of the police officer.

I think the punishment was too harsh here. Most of these people saying "you break the law you pay for it" probably would complain if they were given a $300 speeding ticket for going 1 mph over the speed limit. The penalty was too high for the crime.
 
You can bet the game officer did not just randomly show up at that precise moment. More than likely he had been notified by the landowner of your presence near their land and waited nearby watching or perhaps even had a camera on the road that would notify him of movement. Had you lied about anything that happened they probably would have produced this evidence but they don't want to reveal investigative methods unless they have to.

In the end the lesson you learned is correct. Unless you are the victim of a crime talking to LE will not help you at all, ever.

Your best bet is to be courteous and respectful and when you think your contact is changing from a conversation to something more, ask "Ok, am I free to leave?". If they say no just shut your mouth and let them do whatever it is they plan to do. Deal with it later on in court if it goes that route.
 
It is ridiculous that the Game Warden even ticketed you. Send an honest guy to the wolves, when they can do whatever without any recourse. Even if they are convicted of a crime, they can do what ever they want. They are always crapping on the people that actually provide the money for their tax subsidies.
 
Feel free to post the "you are a dumbass" comments here but hopefully I can save some other new hunter some stress.

I got my first bull elk in I Idaho last fall on state land. I came up through public land early in the dark and waited for daylight. I got my bull first thing in the morning and got it tagged and bagged very early. I spent the next several hours moving the game bags around to keep them cool while waiting on the other hunters in the group to call it a day. I had the proper tag, weapon and location. As the day progressed I started feeling the need to expedite getting the elk to the processor. See where I am going with this?

A very thin strip of land along the highway below us had been private Potlatch Latch land for decades and the gates were open and the public routinely used the road to access public lands above it. This land is now owned by the billionaire Wilks Brothers and was on OnX. I rode down an unmarked road on my bicycle and the gate at the very bottom was now closed and locked. It was marked private on the opposite side and visible only when on the other side. I should have turned around and rode back up. The gate was about 100 yards from the highway so I tossed my bike over the gate and rode out to the highway. I was on that land for about 90 seconds. Unfortunately for me Idaho Fish and Game drove by as I was getting the elk loaded into a truck to get it to the processor. At this point I still had no clue of the gravity of the situation!! I felt no cause for concern and with a smile went to meet the officer to provide my ID and documents. At that point in my 58 years I had never even had a parking ticket and was new to hunting.

I got a ticket for trespass to hunt and thanks to the Wilks brothers Idaho trespassing laws became a VERY BIG DEAL in 2018. There have been attempts in the legislature to not allow people to buy very small parcels of land to block access to thousands but thus far the billionaire lobbyist have blocked it. The ticketing officer told me I better get an attorney. What?? I rode my bike across a dirt road where there were no people, structures, or farmland and I did not damage anything.

Fast forward 4 months and the best offer from the county prosecutor was loss of my elk, $1500 fine, loss of nationwide hunting privileges for a year, 90 day suspended jail sentence, 40 hours of community service and 1 year of probation. One would think I cut a lock, shot my elk on private land and rolled around in the dirt with the officer. My friends were hunting the same area the day after I got my ticket and the officer was there confirming where my elk carcass was. It was of course exactly where I told him it was. The charges were strictly for being on private land. If I heard this story I would say someone is full of $hit because something is missing here. It is not. I worked side by side with law enforcement for my career and I definitely passed the attitude test and left nothing but bicycle tracks on private land.

I intended to go to a Jury trial based on the charges and it wasn't until the last hearing the prosecutor dropped the suspended jail time and probation. Fortunately the judge was a decent person and advised me, after I pled guilty, of an Idaho law that will show this case as dismissed in one year and will not show up anywhere.

I think the officer had an ax to grind with one of the people in our camp and I got caught up in it.

IMPORTANT LESSONS

1. Know where you are in Idaho and stay off of private land. It is the hunters responsibility to know.

2. SHUT THE **** UP!! The officer did not see anything and had no proof. I was just a naive dumbass. I have friends that are cops and judges and they have always said never say anything. He kept me there for over an hour questioning me a building a case. At one point I said "can I just go to town and plead guilty and pay my fine?" At that point I thought I was dealing with something like a parking ticket. Guess what video clip he submitted without context? If I could do it again I would have provided my documentation politely said nothing else. I will never share seemingly harmless information again.

Okay there is my humiliating story. Hopefully someone learns from this and turns around when onX tells them to and remember STFU! I cant imagine how terrible it would have been if I had damaged private property or shot my elk on private land!
Occurs to me to have the cops gps logs reviewed to see if he’s spending a little too much time protecting a billionaires property. Just asking….
 
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