Lead ingestion health risks

[HandgunHTR]

Friend, I'd encourage you to read this. It's what you signed up for when you became a U.S. citizen.

The 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

constitutioncenter.org

I would like to remind you that the First Amendment doesn't apply here. This is a privately owned Forum and you are a guest here. Either you follow the rules as laid out, and linked by eric, or you will eventually be told to leave.

 

[Dave C.]

I would like to remind you that the First Amendment doesn't apply here. This is a privately owned Forum and you are a guest here. Either you follow the rules as laid out, and linked by eric, or you will eventually be told to leave.

Just like the truth doesn't "belong" on FB or any other SM forum.

 

[Dave C.]

Do you have any public-ish places you hang out regularly in person? A small bar, coffee shop, small church, bowling alley, gun store, etc that has a group of regulars?

If yes, what do you do if someone comes in and brashly, aggressively inserts themselves into a conversation you're having as a group? I guess I'm making an assumption that you're more civil in person with your friends and acquaintances than you've been here, and there are places where you're part of a group that deals with each other respectfully.

When I'm in a conversation as a group and someone acts the way you have here, it's tough. We can ask him to be less disrespectful (as was done here). We can decide to end the conversation if the disruption is bad enough (or table it until we're in a setting without the counterproductive interjections). That is analogous to closing the thread. If it goes far enough (loud enough, disruptive enough, etc) a bar owner has the right to ask him to leave, same as you'll get banned or suspended from a public forum for belligerently ignoring the forum rules you agreed to.

If that guy, as he's being escorted out after crashing your conversation and insulting the other participants, starts yelling about his 1st Amendment rights being infringed upon by the bar owner, you're going to roll your eyes, right?

Spoken like a true Millennial who has been brainwashed into believing any speech that calls out frauds and liars is "bullying." After you get your panties out of a wad and go back and read my posts, you'll see that while I hold no punches when calling our frauds, I'd say it's a healthy stretch to claim I "aggressively inserted" myself into your conversation. You asked for advice. I gave it and when some "know-it-all" with an agenda came on and starting making page-long posts to try and look smart, I called him out for the fraud and liar he is. Grow a spine. Don't bother banning me. I'm done here anyway. I'll find a forum where truth and the constitution are respected and the members are mature enough to handle it.

 

[fwafwow]

Spoken like a true Millennial who has been brainwashed into believing any speech that calls out frauds and liars is "bullying." After you get your panties out of a wad and go back and read my posts, you'll see that while I hold no punches when calling our frauds, I'd say it's a healthy stretch to claim I "aggressively inserted" myself into your conversation. You asked for advice. I gave it and when some "know-it-all" with an agenda came on and starting making page-long posts to try and look smart, I called him out for the fraud and liar he is. Grow a spine. Don't bother banning me. I'm done here anyway. I'll find a forum where truth and the constitution are respected and the members are mature enough to handle it.

Don't leave, at least not yet.

I reviewed some of your posts in this thread and fwiw I agree with a good bit of what you are saying - proof is different from allegations, scientific studies (and the "peer review system") are often riddled with problems, pharma, etc.

But I think the manner in which you delivered those (calling people stupid or part of the propaganda machine, Kool-aid drinkers, looping Covid into the mix) that has not gone over well. If that's the only way you post, then maybe leaving is the best result. But if you stick to the substance, you might get better results.

 

[Jason Snyder]

I'll find a forum where truth and the constitution are respected and the members are mature enough to handle it.

It’s amazing how folks can’t see the delivery of their message, and lack the basic ability to be decent to others.

Back the discussion…

 

[eric1115]

Spoken like a true Millennial who has been brainwashed into believing any speech that calls out frauds and liars is "bullying." After you get your panties out of a wad and go back and read my posts, you'll see that while I hold no punches when calling our frauds, I'd say it's a healthy stretch to claim I "aggressively inserted" myself into your conversation. You asked for advice. I gave it and when some "know-it-all" with an agenda came on and starting making page-long posts to try and look smart, I called him out for the fraud and liar he is. Grow a spine. Don't bother banning me. I'm done here anyway. I'll find a forum where truth and the constitution are respected and the members are mature enough to handle it.

No, spoken like someone who was raised to treat other people with respect. We got into this in another thread, but do you really speak to other people this way in person? I asked you over there and your response was a very mature, "well he started it!"


The following is your first post. I asked for evidence in my first post. Not assertions, not anecdote. Something that can be used in an argument with someone who believes lead is a problem. "My internet buddy Dave C did a deep dive a long time ago and he found nothing but he doesn't remember any of his sources" is not a very strong or convincing argument. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked for the evidence to support your assertions and got nothing constructive.

Anybody who believes the lead propaganda should ask for another glass of Kool-aid. It's been several yrs since I did a deep dive into any "research" regarding the claims and what I essentially came up with was not a shred of scientific proof that lead ingestion from harvested game does ANYTHING. In fact, there was never any proof connecting lead shot used for bird hunting to lead poisoning in raptors. It was all manufactured. The studies were poorly performed and simply ignored other more likely sources.

You can't just say what you're posting is true. I generally agree with you that the lead ingestion problem is made up, but your posts did absolutely nothing to actually support the position we both hold (maybe with a difference in degree).

That's the problem. You didn't expose the frauds, you just insulted them. You didn't disprove the claims, you just dismissed them as ridiculous gubbermint conspiracies that only a moron would believe. You didn't explain the methodology errors in the studies, you just asserted that they were garbage. You contributed nothing of substance to this thread, and you actively made it worse. If that's the best input you're capable of providing, maybe 24HCF is the place for you.

 

[Pharmseller]

Straight from a world-class nobody. Don't worry, the nation is already waking up and recognizing that this is not only untrue, but a ridiculously clueless outright lie. Must suck knowing your industry is about to take an epic financial hit as the American people finally see just how corrupt you all are.

Well hot damn!

I might be a nobody, but I’m a world class nobody!

I’d like to thank all the people who made this possible, starting with my agent…




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[Pharmseller]

Friend, I'd encourage you to read this. It's what you signed up for when you became a U.S. citizen.

The 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

constitutioncenter.org

HOW DID I MISS THIS?

Holy crap this is great! Dave is throwing the First Amendment on a privately owned website! Classic!

He tells you to read it, without understanding it at all! What a great way to show his ass!

Pure gold. I hope I’m still world class.




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[KyleR1985]

A couple data points:

My daughter was tested for lead levels at 2. She’s eaten deer I’ve killed with a rifle, and basically touched every surface in my office where I keep reloading supplies and spent brass. Because I didn’t ask for a quantitative test I just got the “below 3.5mcg/dl reference level result”.

I had my blood work done this week and requested the quantitative test. I’ve killed and eaten maybe 5 deer in the last 36 months with fragmenting lead bullets. Most of it in the last 18 months. I reload and have probably shot and reloaded 2-3000 rounds in the last 24 months. I did no special cleaning on brass. Picked up with bare hands, shot with no face covering, wiped brass with paper towels and either alcohol or brake cleaner prior to reloading, handled spent primers bare handed. Suppressed and not, gas gun and bolt gun. Basically took no precautions.

My BLL is 1.4mcg/dl.

i would not call my exposure to lead in meat or lead from shooting and reloading extreme. But I probably represent a good middle ground of lead exposure amongst this forum.

I’m going to get my and my kids BLL checked annually to track it.

I plan on gun hunting a lot more because young kids make bow hunting tough.

It cost me no extra money to have the qualitative test added to the bloodwork if they’re already doing it.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

My BLL is 1.4mcg/dl.

Is this good, bad, what?

 

[KyleR1985]

Is this good, bad, what?

“There’s no safe lower limit” of lead exposure.

3.5mcg/dl is the reference point. It’s the 97.5th percentile of BLL in Americans. It’s the level that triggers an assessment of children’s home and environment. Anything below it is ignored by medical professionals seeing kids. This is geared towards preventing kids from eating lead paint and drinking from lead pipe.

That said, 1.4mcg/dl is considered “low” for an adult.


It’s free or very cheap to establish baselines for your family if you’re concerned. And to test regularly. I was low level concerned because I was introducing a potential problem by choice. I’m far less concerned after seeing the results. If I see a spike in BLL that correlates with my killing/eating or shooting habits in any of my family, I’ll be more concerned. I don’t expect that.

If you’re getting bloodwork done for you or your family, ask for qualitative lead test. No cost to do so.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

“There’s no safe lower limit” of lead exposure.

3.5mcg/dl is the reference point. It’s the 97.5th percentile of BLL in Americans. It’s the level that triggers an assessment of children’s home and environment. Anything below it is ignored by medical professionals seeing kids. This is geared towards preventing kids from eating lead paint and drinking from lead pipe.

That said, 1.4mcg/dl is considered “low” for an adult.


It’s free or very cheap to establish baselines for your family if you’re concerned. And to test regularly. I was low level concerned because I was introducing a potential problem by choice. I’m far less concerned after seeing the results. If I see a spike in BLL that correlates with my killing/eating or shooting habits in any of my family, I’ll be more concerned. I don’t expect that.

If you’re getting bloodwork done for you or your family, ask for qualitative lead test. No cost to do so.

Perfect! Thank you for the explanation.

Seems like you’re on about the same reloading/shooting schedule as me. I wasn’t concerned before. Your post just reaffirms what I was thinking.