Largest Private Western Land Owners Controlling Huge Amounts Of Public Land

[sndmn11]

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[Terrapin]

“Landowner James Cox Kennedy (Cox Enterprises chairman) shut down recreational access to Montana's Ruby River for years, installing fences and challenging public use from bridges, leading to long-running disputes and court cases affirming public access. The controversy involved historical access points and Montana's Stream Access Law.”

I think this one demands some attention from sportsmen… since his company just bought Kuiu.


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[ThorM465]

I don't know who needs to hear this, but we haven't been a capitalist nation since the 16th Amendment.

I'm a huge proponent of capitalism. However, capitalism isn't compatible with the vast majority of societies. It is only compatible, it will only work long term in a virtuous society. We haven't been a virtuous society for a long time, which is why we've seen our capitalist system eroded drastically over the last century.

This, I have to disagree with entirely - if for no other reason than the ease with which it could be worked around. Instead of 1 owner, it would end up being multiple family members owning chunks, and then multiple shell-companies with opaque ownership.

It could be if not done correctly with appropriate penalties. The one fortunate part of our federal tax system is that it is ready made to handle overseeing such a limit. We have to add a line or two to a few filings. A line on your tax filings. A line in your brokerage statement for acres owned per holding, etc.
Every entity has individual(s)s owner(s) at some point. If you own 1% of an entity that owns 1,000,000 acres, then you own 10,000 acres that go directly towards your limit. If you're part of a 4 member family trust that owns 100,000 acres, then you own 25,000 that goes towards your limit.
Keep reporting requirements simple and penalties steep.

 

[MontyMontana]

I don't know who needs to hear this, but we haven't been a capitalist nation since the 16th Amendment.

I'm a huge proponent of capitalism. However, capitalism isn't compatible with the vast majority of societies. It is only compatible, it will only work long term in a virtuous society. We haven't been a virtuous society for a long time, which is why we've seen our capitalist system eroded drastically over the last century.



It could be if not done correctly with appropriate penalties. The one fortunate part of our federal tax system is that it is ready made to handle overseeing such a limit. We have to add a line or two to a few filings. A line on your tax filings. A line in your brokerage statement for acres owned per holding, etc.
Every entity has individual(s)s owner(s) at some point. If you own 1% of an entity that owns 1,000,000 acres, then you own 10,000 acres that go directly towards your limit. If you're part of a 4 member family trust that owns 100,000 acres, then you own 25,000 that goes towards your limit.
Keep reporting requirements simple and penalties steep.

You can take that land limit BS and shove it. The ONLY reason you have that point of view is because you have nothing of consequence in terms of land. The only people who want more government are the people relying on it. There is a reason lower class stays lower class, its sheep mentality like yours.

 

[HunterGatherer]

 

[ThorM465]

You can take that land limit BS and shove it. The ONLY reason you have that point of view is because you have nothing of consequence in terms of land. The only people who want more government are the people relying on it. There is a reason lower class stays lower class, its sheep mentality like yours.

No sir. I want the limit because I hate government and want future farmers and ranchers.

1. Corporate conglomerates are modern states and should be limited in power for the same reasons we limit the power of our government. They have become as or more dangerous to the individual American than most layers of governments.
2. I don't want the Bill Gates of the world owning all of our farm and ranch land. If that prospect doesn't terrify you then you're not paying enough attention. Nothing good will come from billionaires with openly stated antihuman intentions owning the majority of our land
3. At current prices you can not make enough money farming or ranching to pay the mortgage on the land required. This is leading to a handful of corporate conglomerates completely monopolizing our food supply. Many are antimeat or at least antimeat for the peasants. You can still get around this by creating a relationship with your local farmers. They will close this loophole if we don't do something to insure small local farmers can exist.

I'm not suggesting anything as absurd as a 1,000 acre limit, but it probably needs to be less than 1,000,000 acres. Otherwise our children could live in a world where the King's game is off limits to them. They'll live off of grain, sugar, insects, and lab grown "meat." And they'll be "happy."

 

[jmez]

As to your #3. I grew up in, and currently live in midwest agricultural areas. True you can't "pay for the land" anymore. As with all industries farms and ranches just keep getting larger. There aren't a lot of large corps buying the Ag land areound here or in my hometown. The larger farmers and ranchers buy most of it and they can cost basis it over their entire operation. In Western SD, Jack Links, for example, does buy a lot of the larger, continuous tracts. They buy them for hunting. They do a lifetime, or 100 year leaseback to the families that owned them. The lease agreements are conducive to continuing with production agriculture.

 

[BlackTail]

Also on the "New Truck" thing. Good ol uncle sam has a new program where if you get rid of/ destroy older diesel equipment you can replace it with brand new "environmental" versions for as low as 10 cents on the dollar in some situations. So basically I traded some hunk of shit tractors and trucks in that I had to work on all the time for brand new equipment all for the price of 1 new tractor....

The only people who want more government are the people relying on it. There is a reason lower class stays lower class,

You can’t make this stuff up.