KUIU's new tent???

[tipsntails7]

It seems heavy, small and expensive for the weight and space provided. I've been doing a ton of research for an upcoming tent purchase. I will have to watch the webcast but right now it's not on my radar.

 

[kodiakfly]

I dont want to go floorless. Been there, dont that.

Call me a pussy, but as I get older, I like having some "small" comforts like bug protection. Spent to many nights in floorless rigs, bivys, or just a tarp feeding skeeters and deer flies.

Plus, I dont do trekking poles, so a pole system and FREE STANDING are mandatory for me. That alone rules out a lot of floorless jobs (at least in the weight category). Not to mention, those rare potential camp sites where the free standing tent can go up, but a non free standing rig cant. You know, bed rock and nothing to tie off to.

Same. I've never done a whole trip floorless, but I've bivied and slept on the ground enough to know that (for me) I'll carry the extra weight. And I'm a pussy. I do like the external poles though and that's a big reason I went with the EV2 this year. I know it weighs 40 times what a tarp does, but it weighs almost half of what I was carrying (Anapurna), so it's a major improvement for me.

A buddy goes floorless and I asked him about getting in a heavy rain and water running through the tent. He said, "yeah man, not a big deal...(and I think it's really not an issue, and I'm listening)...sometimes when it rains, sure you wake up with a river running through your shelter or around your bag, but it's not a big deal." That's when he lost me.

 

[AK Troutbum]

Man, I really love Kuiu's gear but there's no way I could go back to a 3 plus pound tent with 30 square feet of coverage when there are so many floorless options out there that can get you double or even triple the amount of square footage at less weight.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[boom]

Same. I've never done a whole trip floorless, but I've bivied and slept on the ground enough to know that (for me) I'll carry the extra weight. And I'm a pussy. I do like the external poles though and that's a big reason I went with the EV2 this year. I know it weighs 40 times what a tarp does, but it weighs almost half of what I was carrying (Anapurna), so it's a major improvement for me.

A buddy goes floorless and I asked him about getting in a heavy rain and water running through the tent. He said, "yeah man, not a big deal...(and I think it's really not an issue, and I'm listening)...sometimes when it rains, sure you wake up with a river running through your shelter or around your bag, but it's not a big deal." That's when he lost me.

haha..i've had a friend climb into my one man tent (with me) when a river ran thru his floor-less system. it was damn awkward and it sucked...he still uses that thing.

 

[snowcamoman]

Going floor-less definitely takes a little more forethought on where to throw up a shelter. I'd think that once it happens (river flowing under shelter), a person would quickly figure out how to determine drainage around the shelter and trench around if needed to divert water.

 

[boom]

Going floor-less definitely takes a little more forethought on where to throw up a shelter. I'd think that once it happens (river flowing under shelter), a person would quickly figure out how to determine drainage around the shelter and trench around if needed to divert water.

i get that. similar rules apply to regular tents.

i'm no expert. what do you do if it is already raining?..hard. floorless set up in a rain storm cant be easy.

 

[snowcamoman]

If it's already dumping rain, I just throw my pack down under the shelter and set it up. Then I setup the interior. The handy thing with floorless is that I can leave my boots and all gear on when I decide to jump inside. It's quick and convenient.

 

[Backpack Hunter]

If people are getting a river running thru their shelter they have done something seriously wrong. You should be setting up a floored and floorless shelter with the same thoughts of water issues in mind. Can't say I have ever had water run thru either a floored or floorless shelter on me.

 

[snowcamoman]

I've only had water run under a tent one time. The river I was camped by came up 18 inches overnight and pushed under part of the tent. Other than that freakish accident, shelter selection has provided good, dry campsites.

 

[MAT]

As much as I want this to be my next tent, it’s smaller than my BA Copper Spur 1 for pretty much the same weight. It also seems to pack bigger, which is a feature no one talks about (do we need bigger packs too)? I don’t like the pole hubs with the BA, but that’s about it. I might look into using carbon poles for a more compact and lighter package, but so far the CS1 is proving to be a great tent. Plus ever notice what they use on the Western Hunter TV show? The KUIU is not worth it just for the external poles which I really like.

Can someone PM with the details of the alleged KUIU fallout on this site?

 

[Tiger Rag]

As much as I want this to be my next tent, it’s smaller than my BA Copper Spur 1 for pretty much the same weight. It also seems to pack bigger, which is a feature no one talks about (do we need bigger packs too)? I don’t like the pole hubs with the BA, but that’s about it. I might look into using carbon poles for a more compact and lighter package, but so far the CS1 is proving to be a great tent. Plus ever notice what they use on the Western Hunter TV show? The KUIU is not worth it just for the external poles which I really like.

Can someone PM with the details of the alleged KUIU fallout on this site?

There was a thread regarding the issues on here. I tried to search for it and didn't come up with anything. Might still be out there or might have been deleted by the mods at this point.

 

[jm1607]

As much as I want this to be my next tent, it’s smaller than my BA Copper Spur 1 for pretty much the same weight. It also seems to pack bigger, which is a feature no one talks about (do we need bigger packs too)? I don’t like the pole hubs with the BA, but that’s about it. I might look into using carbon poles for a more compact and lighter package, but so far the CS1 is proving to be a great tent. Plus ever notice what they use on the Western Hunter TV show? The KUIU is not worth it just for the external poles which I really like.

Can someone PM with the details of the alleged KUIU fallout on this site?

It was a culmination of a bunch of stuff, but I think the nail in the coffin was that Kuiu didn't want it's new Ultra pack to be put into a test with all the other packs because Jason claimed it would be biased because some of the RS admins work for the other pack companies..

So to fix it Kuiu parted ways and did their own "unbias" tests.. I think they need to spend more time testing their products before they come out rather than after they come out to try and prove a point and win a pissing match.. Makes no sense to me

 

[Coyote Commander]

As much as I want this to be my next tent, it’s smaller than my BA Copper Spur 1 for pretty much the same weight. It also seems to pack bigger, which is a feature no one talks about (do we need bigger packs too)? I don’t like the pole hubs with the BA, but that’s about it. I might look into using carbon poles for a more compact and lighter package, but so far the CS1 is proving to be a great tent. Plus ever notice what they use on the Western Hunter TV show? The KUIU is not worth it just for the external poles which I really like.

Can someone PM with the details of the alleged KUIU fallout on this site?

The Copper Spur tents are tough to beat for sure.

I have the two man (or, an absolute palace for one), ditch the factory stakes for lightweight ones and its 3lbs on the nose.

I dont necessarily dislike anything about mine, but can definitely see the advantage to external poles in inclement weather pitching.

 

[jm1607]

As for the tent, seems like a solid tent at a glance.. There are lighter, more packable, larger floor space, cheaper 3-season options with external poles.. These tents probably got the standard 2-3 month testing period, so who knows how good they really hold up? 10D seems a little light, kinda why I stayed away from the Golite Imogene.. Not sure who would seriously want to pick one of these up unless they are sponsored by Kuiu or work for them or something.. Hopefully these tents work out well for whoever picks them up..

Wish they would have went for a 4 season tent, but w/e.. Maybe they'll do that next?

 

[boom]

The Copper Spur tents are tough to beat for sure.

I have the two man (or, an absolute palace for one), ditch the factory stakes for lightweight ones and its 3lbs on the nose.

I dont necessarily dislike anything about mine, but can definitely see the advantage to external poles in inclement weather pitching.

What are the lightweight stakes?

 

[kodiakfly]

If people are getting a river running thru their shelter they have done something seriously wrong.

Under most circumstances, I'd agree. But not here.

 

[Coyote Commander]

What are the lightweight stakes?

I forget the brand. Theyre just a simple j-hook style titanium. Sierra Nova or something like that???

They're .2 oz each by my scale though and work well in most conditions (I dont trust them in real loose soil....id rather have a "flat" style, heavier peg in soft ground).

 

[whitingja]

For a lightweight tent with a floor, check out tarptents. Love mine. The stratospire.

 

[bigfish b.c]

Under most circumstances, I'd agree. But not here.

been camping in floorless tipi for 10+ years & have yet to have bug or river probsalways pack a lightweight water proof tarp for sleeping area though & it rains allot in this part of b.c.

 

[kodiakfly]

been camping in floorless tipi for 10+ years & have yet to have bug or river probsalways pack a lightweight water proof tarp for sleeping area though & it rains allot in this part of b.c.

I'm not disagreeing that in many or most situations, floorless is fine. That's why I originally said "under most circumstances, I'd agree." But my friend is a professional guide who spends 200+ days a year sleeping on the ground in Kodiak. I'd guess he knows what he's doing as far as setting up camp and not doing something wrong. Going to sleep under cloudless skies and waking up to a deluge isn't uncommon. Not worried about frigid cold, or even bugs all that much...it's rain and water here.

And I know more than one guy who goes floorless here so it's no impossible. But I also admitted I'm a pussy when it comes to a river inches from my sleeping pad and I'll take my floor. But that's me. I've been camping with a floor for 10+ years and have yet to have a bug or river problem either.