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Kuiu Vs Everyone Else
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cuerro viejo
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A better question would be is there a US(not North America) manufacturing facility that could handle kuiu or Stika production?
Unfortunately it's hard to protect something that isn't here. I do hope we see it come back some day. Until then it's hard to cast judgment in my eyes wether it be Kuiu, Sitka, Firstlite etc.
They were handling it fine...until "someone" decided he wanted his profit margin to go WAY up. Kept advertising it all as NA made, and lying and spinning even when guys were posting pictures of the tags showing otherwise.
The dude is consistent. Not the kind of person I want to give my money to no matter how great a deal it is. Others can overlook a lack of integrity and character, I will not.
IIRC Jason made a post on his blog within a few weeks about the changes being made, and why the supply chain needed altering.
Sure, he should have done it before they started shipping, but IIRC they offered free returns if you bought something during that period and wanted to return it. The company in BC couldn't keep up with the production necessary, so it made way more sense to have Toray handle it. I'm fairly sure outsourcing directly to Toray wasn't significantly cheaper. What lined his pockets was the expansion he was able to do because of it. But thats an assumption, just like your post.
Some of you guys are seriously unrelenting about this. Why is it so important that the world knows you disappove of Jason Hairston and Kuiu?
Sitka is made in China, IMO is very overpriced and not near the quality of a brand like Arcteryx, but they charge just as much... And yet I'm not screaming at the top of my lungs about them in every thread. I don't care if you buy Sitka or not. Honestly... I dont get it.
Weird, because everything I have bought runs very true to the tag.
Except one base layer. I called them up, they looked through their logs and nobody else had returned anything because of a mis-labeled size. I sent them the measurements so they could confirm on their end it was wrong. It was, so they apologized and paid for shipping back to them and shipping to me on a new shirt.
So, these random stories go both ways. Although your prolific use of CAPS LOCK whenever these topics arise might make your points a little more forcefully.
To your point about the Icon Pro packs... my packs have handled ~80 lbs in them so far in training. Do they feel like air on my back? No. But at 40 lbs they feel really, really good, so in my experience "not terrible" is quite the understatement. But again, since this actually pertains to the OP. These are bags that cost, when on sale, 40% of what a Kifaru costs and ~65% of what a SG, MR, etc costs. I dont expect them to be just as good. But as of yet I have found them to do the job. Maybe someday I will step up to a Kifaru, but that isnt happening yet.
As Rosinbag said to me when I contacted him for his opinion (great guy btw, thanks again!): 'No bag feels great with 100 lbs on your back. Anyone saying that is exaggerating.' And he is a huge Kifaru guy (that also respects Kuiu packs for what they are).
Who really cares if someone else wears Kuiu, Sitka, First Lite, mountaineering brands, stuff from Costco, etc. It really doesnt affect your life. I dont get the vehement hate. Its one thing to tell your experience. What goes on in these threads is quite another.
eagle#eyes
Lil-Rokslider
I've never used anything KUIU and love my Stone Glacier but for what it is worth, luke moffat, who probably puts more miles in than a lot of us, generally has pretty good things to say about the KUIU packs. I think he even has a review of one of them on the site.
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GKPrice
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seems "easier" to come clean AFTER being busted - I could care less what anyone, ANYONE uses for gear or clothes but to defend anyone who is that disingenuous sort of leaves one "hanging in the wind" IMO and MINE counts JUST as much as the next guy's - I wear my Sitka clothing daily, what Kuiu stuff I have too - If there's someone saying the latter wears better or is better quality than the former I call B.S. to that ...
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GKPrice
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Weird, because everything I have bought runs very true to the tag.
Except one base layer. I called them up, they looked through their logs and nobody else had returned anything because of a mis-labeled size. I sent them the measurements so they could confirm on their end it was wrong. It was, so they apologized and paid for shipping back to them and shipping to me on a new shirt.
So, these random stories go both ways. Although your prolific use of CAPS LOCK whenever these topics arise might make your points a little more forcefully.
To your point about the Icon Pro packs... my packs have handled ~80 lbs in them so far in training. Do they feel like air on my back? No. But at 40 lbs they feel really, really good, so in my experience "not terrible" is quite the understatement. But again, since this actually pertains to the OP. These are bags that cost, when on sale, 40% of what a Kifaru costs and ~65% of what a SG, MR, etc costs. I dont expect them to be just as good. But as of yet I have found them to do the job. Maybe someday I will step up to a Kifaru, but that isnt happening yet.
As Rosinbag said to me when I contacted him for his opinion (great guy btw, thanks again!): 'No bag feels great with 100 lbs on your back. Anyone saying that is exaggerating.' And he is a huge Kifaru guy (that also respects Kuiu packs for what they are).
Who really cares if someone else wears Kuiu, Sitka, First Lite, mountaineering brands, stuff from Costco, etc. It really doesnt affect your life. I dont get the vehement hate. Its one thing to tell your experience. What goes on in these threads is quite another.[/QUOTE
I own a lot of Costco stuff ..... they back it or refund for it no questions asked .... so does Sitka (with a smile) I personally think you should buy as much of "that K" brand as you possibly can ....
For someone that doesn't care, you are very vehement about making the same point numerous times to make sure you are heard.
I have no allegiance to any of these brands. But I also think rather than discussing the product, these threads are turned into constant bashing over and over, and its doesn't help anyone researching gear on this forum, which is what its supposed to be about.
Idahohillboy
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I have a Kuiu pack and have packed out an elk and a deer with it and it did pretty well for the most but it was hard to get a lot of weight on it anything over 80 was impossible. However it has a constant creak that it developed after I packed out my bull last year. I have the 5200 Icon Pro love all the pockets. The reason I stumbled across this thread was because I just bought the Swaro 95 spotter and went to throw it in the spotter pouch and it does not fit. My other Swaro was much smaller. Some people say it is to much glass to pack but I can save my legs a lot with the bigger glass so I made the jump. So my question here is does anyone have a recommendation of a pack with a bigger side pouch for the spotter that is on the side of the pack for easy access? I hunt a lot. Deer and Elk starting in September ending in January. So I need a tough pack a lot of days in the field with a 30 to 40 lb pack. Also want it for day pack/multi day pack. My feeling for the Kuiu is it is a good pack for the price for sure but I find myself needing more pack. Thats said my Kuiu clothing lasts way better than the First Lite stuff I have bought and I like the pattern of the Vias more the pants with the knee pads help crawling in the rocks. Just my preference.
cuerro viejo
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Actually they weren't and where not a US sew house anyway.. EXO went through the same problem for awhile and they aren't a 1/100 of the size of kuiu.
wyelkhunter
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I like their pack bags. I use a kifaru frame and have a couple different ultra bags I use on it.
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GKPrice
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Weird, because everything I have bought runs very true to the tag.
Except one base layer. I called them up, they looked through their logs and nobody else had returned anything because of a mis-labeled size. I sent them the measurements so they could confirm on their end it was wrong. It was, so they apologized and paid for shipping back to them and shipping to me on a new shirt.
So, these random stories go both ways. Although your prolific use of CAPS LOCK whenever these topics arise might make your points a little more forcefully.
To your point about the Icon Pro packs... my packs have handled ~80 lbs in them so far in training. Do they feel like air on my back? No. But at 40 lbs they feel really, really good, so in my experience "not terrible" is quite the understatement. But again, since this actually pertains to the OP. These are bags that cost, when on sale, 40% of what a Kifaru costs and ~65% of what a SG, MR, etc costs. I dont expect them to be just as good. But as of yet I have found them to do the job. Maybe someday I will step up to a Kifaru, but that isnt happening yet.
As Rosinbag said to me when I contacted him for his opinion (great guy btw, thanks again!): 'No bag feels great with 100 lbs on your back. Anyone saying that is exaggerating.' And he is a huge Kifaru guy (that also respects Kuiu packs for what they are).
Who really cares if someone else wears Kuiu, Sitka, First Lite, mountaineering brands, stuff from Costco, etc. It really doesnt affect your life. I dont get the vehement hate. Its one thing to tell your experience. What goes on in these threads is quite another.
I'm not sure to call B.S. on, you or the truth from KUIU because fyi, I alone have called and challenged them 3 times on just one item alone and they were unapologetic - My "other" maker's tops are wearing like iron rather than snagging on who-knows-what in numerous places, I'll not seek any further items from their catalogue because imo they are dishonest and elitist in their attitude toward me as "the customer"
To clarify, he said NA, i.e. North America, not US. Original stuff was cut and sewn in Canada.
I've had good and bad experiences with them. Like anything, depends on the person you get on the phone. Sounds like you are talking about merino. It snags. Especially compared to a poly upper.
There's no reason to, "call BS" like your experience with them alone is the only possible outcome. I've had crap service from them too, I get it. But why throw it in someone's face? If you're willing to talk to a stranger like that on here, I could sure see a CS rep not taking the attitude.
GK Price this next bit isn't directed at you, or anyone in particular:
MODS lock this friggen thread please!! Same story as always, Kuiu gets mentioned and boom, it gets ugly. There's all kinds of valid points made, but it amazes me how people treat each other so combatively on here anymore. It sucks there is a record of it. I doubt I'm alone in this regard, and I for one am entirely sick of reading this crap every time I log onto here.....let's get back to gear, etc please.
MT--Adam asked why there is "no love" for the Kuiu packs. His question was answered exactly. They had huge failures, used their customers literally as test dummies, and alienated many potential and then current customers with an egomaniacal attitude towards many of those customers. Also with strait up lying about where the product was made. That's the reason there is a lack of love!
You are very combative.
My story is fact. Sorry it didn't work out for you. I was sharing that I had a different experience, that its not a 'guarantee' you receive horrible service from Kuiu. Of course, I assume your story happened, I have no reason to assume you are being dishonest.
Its strange that you are so vehemently angry at Kuiu that you would assume I am lying. Its apparent I have a lot less into this emotionally than you do.
I've seen 5-10 or so documented. Have you seen many more? I would like to see them so I can learn.
Using their customers as testers and letting them have interaction in the development process is part of their direct marketing/crowdsourcing business plan. Whether that is okay with you or not as a consumer, is up to you. I can empathize with why that would turn people off. I would feel the same way if I felt burned by that process.
I've got a Dodge Ram, Dodge Dart, Jeep Patriot, and a Chrysler mini van. The problem is not the overseas manufacturing, the problem is the bait and switch and lying about the whole thing. Some people it bothers, like me, obviously others it doesn't, which is why KUIU is successful in spite of their ethics.
I don't think I can be considered a Kuiu basher, I'd say if you go back and look at every post I've made, I have posted more in this thread than all other mentioned since I have been a member here (plus all other boards I frequent for information sharing) combined. Most of these were for clarification purposes as well. I'm glad there is good competition for all of us to have gear that works in the backcountry, we are light years ahead of even 20 years ago with regard to comfort and performance in our clothing and gear and KUIU is a big part of that.
I don't think I can be considered a Kuiu basher, I'd say if you go back and look at every post I've made, I have posted more in this thread than all other mentioned since I have been a member here (plus all other boards I frequent for information sharing) combined. Most of these were for clarification purposes as well. I'm glad there is good competition for all of us to have gear that works in the backcountry, we are light years ahead of even 20 years ago with regard to comfort and performance in our clothing and gear and KUIU is a big part of that.
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