KRG Echo - Sporterish version of bravo for tikkas

[sturner88]

Have an Echo in a 223 Varmint and have noticed it’s 50/50 on picking up a round. Has anyone found this issue with theirs? I have not modified the magazine or mag catch.

 

[STAxel]

I added a salmon river solutions rail so that I can run arca from my tripod and has a short pic attachment up front. I think this is a nice addition and makes this stock very versatile for me.

Does adding the arca rail help with rigidity in the fore-end?

 

[Dave0317]

So those that have used the echo, would you say the Bravo is the overall better option for an extra $100? Especially if the extra few ounces is not a particular concern?

Comes with LOP spacers. So fixes that issue.
Flat bottom at the rear of the stock seems to be the preferred feature there.

Is it any stiffer? Advertises a full length aluminum backbone, so I would expect that if a stiffer forend is important to a person, the Bravo is much better?

I know the Echo is cheaper and lighter, but it also seems like they cut corners in a couple spots that guys here would usually say are priorities.

 

[wind gypsy]

So those that have used the echo, would you say the Bravo is the overall better option for an extra $100? Especially if the extra few ounces is not a particular concern?

Comes with LOP spacers. So fixes that issue.
Flat bottom at the rear of the stock seems to be the preferred feature there.

Is it any stiffer? Advertises a full length aluminum backbone, so I would expect that if a stiffer forend is important to a person, the Bravo is much better?

I know the Echo is cheaper and lighter, but it also seems like they cut corners in a couple spots that guys here would usually say are priorities.

Also consider if you want to use ctr, aics, or tikka pattern magazines. If you want a long action cartridge, bravo is a no go. I’d prefer tikka mags in a hunting rifle.

 

[Hurley88]

So those that have used the echo, would you say the Bravo is the overall better option for an extra $100? Especially if the extra few ounces is not a particular concern?

Comes with LOP spacers. So fixes that issue.
Flat bottom at the rear of the stock seems to be the preferred feature there.

Is it any stiffer? Advertises a full length aluminum backbone, so I would expect that if a stiffer forend is important to a person, the Bravo is much better?

I know the Echo is cheaper and lighter, but it also seems like they cut corners in a couple spots that guys here would usually say are priorities.

I’ve used both, have more experience with the Bravo. Yes the Bravo forend is stiffer bc of the full length aluminum.

I’d say 100% the Echo is better. But that’s me, each person has to determine their use case. I like that the Echo only adds weight to the center, I like that the forend shape is slimmer/easier to grip and is better for unsupported field shooting positions, I personally wish it weren’t so flat at the bottom of the forend bc I don’t want or need an Arca rail…I’m the type who wants the factory stock but with a modern vertical grip and high comb. If you want an Arca rail I’d imagine that the Bravo would be better (@Andy Ivy can speak to its performance with the rail). The Bravo is more modular, more like a chassis in that you can attach stuff to it and the stiffer forend will handle the attachments better; but there’s a weight cost. It really just depends on what you’re looking to get out of it.

To me the Echo & Rokstok are both modern improvements on the factory stock with very tangible benefits in terms of speed & consistency. The Bravo (or any other chassis) is better for shots that take longer to set up such as bipod/tripod use. But full disclosure, I’m not a fan of the PRS methodology for field shooting. Just…depends on your preferred use.

 

[JCMCUBIC]

How bad is the flex in forened in the fieldstock vs the echo?

I pulled them out to compare this specifically and the Echo seems to have noticeably more flex. Using a lite contour, it's a nonissue.

Iv been running the echo for a week.
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Don't like :
Front action screw captured. Not an issue for seating the action just a pain
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The Fieldstock's rear action screw is captured. It's less irksome to me than the captured front action screw of the Echo. I can live with either.

 

[Andy Ivy]

Does adding the arca rail help with rigidity in the fore-end?

Not really but what flex is there is not an issue with the barrels I shoot.

 

[bigbuckdj]

Are mamba mags the only ten round option for factory bottom metal/echo fitment?

 

[Jimbee]

Are mamba mags the only ten round option for factory bottom metal/echo fitment?

Waters makes a reliable 10rd mag. Expensive but good.

 

[bigbuckdj]

Waters makes a reliable 10rd mag. Expensive but good.

Cool that was one reason I figured the bravo may be favored, the 10 round AICS mags work great in those. I don’t think I’ll get rid of my bravos but I’ll probably buy an echo for my next tikka assuming rokstocks are still waitlisted

 

[ztc92]

Sendero Barrel, removed the barrel channel insert.

Thanks for including the scale photos. Looks like you have a similar setup to me (Tikka CTR in a bravo).

From the photos, looks like the bravo in a CTR and comes in at 3 pounds 8 oz with a CTR mag, whereas going to the Echo with 5 round mag you’re at 2 pounds 14 oz.

After the reports of issues with CTR mags at the S2H class, I’m thinking of swapping my Bravo to an Echo with the CTR barreled action (it’s a 20” 6.5 creedmore) to use factory tikka mags.

Any thoughts on switching from the CTR bravo to the echo since you seem to have done the same thing?

 

[Bluumoon]

Thanks for including the scale photos. Looks like you have a similar setup to me (Tikka CTR in a bravo).

From the photos, looks like yhe bravo is a CTR and comes in at 3 pounds 8 oz with a CTR mag, whereas going to the Echo with 5 round mag you’re at 2 pounds 14 oz.

After the reports of issues with CTR mags at the S2H class, I’m thinking of swapping my Bravo to an Echo with the CTR barreled action (it’s a 20” 6.5 creedmore).

Any thoughts on switching from the CTR bravo to the echo since you seem to have done the same thing?

I moved a .308 into the Bravo with CTR mags, plan to is to make that into a bulk shooter/not make anymore changes. If it were a primary hunting rifle I might worry about the CTR mags, or just carry a spare mag.

If I was looking to drop weight I'd go with/wait for the Rokstok no question. For my purposes I was looking for a little extra weight for both the Bravo and Echo builds.

 

[ztc92]

I moved a .308 into the Bravo with CTR mags, plan to is to make that into a bulk shooter/not make anymore changes. If it were a primary hunting rifle I might worry about the CTR mags, or just carry a spare mag.

If I was looking to drop weight I'd go with/wait for the Rokstok no question. For my purposes I was looking for a little extra weight for both the Bravo and Echo builds.

Thank you, that’s helpful context. I am hoping to pick up a few rokstoks for hunting rifles so I agree with you there. Had a chance to use one this summer, there’s nothing better.

I’m just torn on what to do with this Tikka 6.5C CTR. It’s a great setup in the bravo with the CTR mags but it is heavy enough I rarely grab it over my hunting rifles. I guess I’d hoped going with the echo would make it a bit more appealing to use more often, even if not for hunting.

Then again, they say everyone needs a good .308, which I don’t have so maybe I’ll just leave it as a 6.5 Creed in the Bravo with CTR mags and make it a .308 when the 6.5 barrel is shot out in a few years.

 

[NSI]

Thank you, that’s helpful context. I am hoping to pick up a few rokstoks for hunting rifles so I agree with you there. Had a chance to use one this summer, there’s nothing better.

I’m just torn on what to do with this Tikka 6.5C CTR. It’s a great setup in the bravo with the CTR mags but it is heavy enough I rarely grab it over my hunting rifles. I guess I’d hoped going with the echo would make it a bit more appealing to use more often, even if not for hunting.

Then again, they say everyone needs a good .308, which I don’t have so maybe I’ll just leave it as a 6.5 Creed in the Bravo with CTR mags and make it a .308 when the 6.5 barrel is shot out in a few years.

You’ll need a mag spring to get your CTR action to work with the echo. I can dig up a spare to send you if you need. But you’ll need to be comfortable removing the trigger and torquing it back down within an inch of its life.

-J

 

[Bluumoon]

You’ll need a mag spring to get your CTR action to work with the echo. I can dig up a spare to send you if you need. But you’ll need to be comfortable removing the trigger and torquing it back down within an inch of its life.

-J

With thread locker on the trigger (to action) screw, don’t be me and get a ND,

 

[Bluumoon]

Thank you, that’s helpful context. I am hoping to pick up a few rokstoks for hunting rifles so I agree with you there. Had a chance to use one this summer, there’s nothing better.

I’m just torn on what to do with this Tikka 6.5C CTR. It’s a great setup in the bravo with the CTR mags but it is heavy enough I rarely grab it over my hunting rifles. I guess I’d hoped going with the echo would make it a bit more appealing to use more often, even if not for hunting.

Then again, they say everyone needs a good .308, which I don’t have so maybe I’ll just leave it as a 6.5 Creed in the Bravo with CTR mags and make it a .308 when the 6.5 barrel is shot out in a few years.

I like the extra weight in rifles I don’t intent to carry much. It’s very easy to raise the butt pad above bore with the Bravo, only mod I’ve made to mine.

 

[ztc92]

You’ll need a mag spring to get your CTR action to work with the echo. I can dig up a spare to send you if you need. But you’ll need to be comfortable removing the trigger and torquing it back down within an inch of its life.

-J

With thread locker on the trigger (to action) screw, don’t be me and get a ND,

I like the extra weight in rifles I don’t intent to carry much. It’s very easy to raise the butt pad above bore with the Bravo, only mod I’ve made to mine.

Thank you both your insight and generous offers to help out. Like many on Rokslide, I struggle with analysis paralysis when it comes to gear. Sounds like I’ll be best served to just leave it alone and enjoy how nice the CTR shoots in the bravo and get a couple rokstoks for my hunting rifles when they’re available again.

 

[Hurley88]

I originally got the Echo specifically for a CTR bc I’ve had more than a few issues with the mags. Couldn’t wait to get a better stock & get factory mags. As mentioned you do need the mag retention spring.
Nothing wrong with a 10lb rifle in the mountains! I switched from Bravo to Echo and prefer it. The magazine system is way batter. Then I got a second one to try in the lighter contour. But the Rokstok is winning that comparison. After a few hundred rounds, Rokstok is better for Lite contour barrel but the Echo hangs in there right behind it. Echo is better for the CTR, way too nose heavy in the Rokstok. The Rokstok is off getting a 1” Decelerator currently or I’d have included comparison pics.

Do have to mention: haven’t had a single issue with factory mags in use but they don’t click into place easily with either one of my Echos. Hangs up on the front end. If you push up on the forward section of the bottom of the mag it doesn’t happen though. If for some reason you need fast mag changes that would be a consideration.

Here are some pics of a CTR next to a Lite contour, both in the Echo.

 

[ztc92]

I originally got the Echo specifically for a CTR bc I’ve had more than a few issues with the mags. Couldn’t wait to get a better stock & get factory mags. As mentioned you do need the mag retention spring.
Nothing wrong with a 10lb rifle in the mountains! I switched from Bravo to Echo and prefer it. The magazine system is way batter. Then I got a second one to try in the lighter contour. But the Rokstok is winning that comparison. After a few hundred rounds, Rokstok is better for Lite contour barrel but the Echo hangs in there right behind it. Echo is better for the CTR, way too nose heavy in the Rokstok. The Rokstok is off getting a 1” Decelerator currently or I’d have included comparison pics.

Do have to mention: haven’t had a single issue with factory mags in use but they don’t click into place easily with either one of my Echos. Hangs up on the front end. If you push up on the forward section of the bottom of the mag it doesn’t happen though. If for some reason you need fast mag changes that would be a consideration.

Here are some pics of a CTR next to a Lite contour, both in the Echo.


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Thank you very much, this is great to see. Is that CTR the 24” version? If so how is the balance in the echo?

Also for anyone with the echo - looks like you don’t need a bottom metal as it’s formed into the stock. I guess I thought the mag retention spring was in the bottom metal, is it actually part of the barreled action? If so, I’m guessing that’s why NSI mentioned needing to mess with the trigger to install it?

 

[Hurley88]

Thank you very much, this is great to see. Is that CTR the 24” version? If so how is the balance in the echo?

It’s the 24” version chopped to 23” to get rid of the threaded portion. Balance is forward but not overly so. I’d say perfect for a rifle that will be used solely from a rest.

The mag retention spring is captured/held by the screw that holds the trigger to the bottom of the action.

Here you can see it with the mag removed:


Here you can see it attached to the trigger. It’s that little piece of spring steel being held by the trigger screw.