Kids rifle...again.

[TheM1DoesMyTalking]

Yeah you can get back to at least 10" with the holes still lining up.

I've found that's too short.

11" seems as short as you may want to go unless you're putting toddlers on a Tikka.

Good to know. I've cut other stocks down to 11" but not a Tikka stock that short. I have a spare one lying around that I'll reduce as a subcompact for my youngest to use before the 12.5" compact stock fits.

 

[packgoatguy]

My 2 cents...

I've worked with several small year old shooters. My own 10 yr old daughter filled her first big game tag this fall with my ULUL (StraightPull AR15 223rem). Other kids have used my 6creed in an hnt26 stock.

A couple points:

1. Any chassis that has the buffertube style threads (even the hnt26 has an adapter you can use) can take all types of buffertube based stocks. There are also aftermarket folder adapters to put on if that is your jam. I make my own lightweight buffertube stocks with carbon tubes, and can make them any length necessary.

2. There is nothing lighter-weight than a straight pull AR15 (I got mine down to 2.25lbs), and not a lot that is cheaper. A 2.25lb bare rifle ends up being about 4lbs all up, including scope, suppressor, ammo, and even a small tripod. Having a package this lightweight is way easier for small kids to get used to holding a rifle in conventional shooting positions.

3. The bolt action (straight pull) AR15 is quieter than the gas operation of the semi auto.

 

[schmidty3]

I like the ultralight ar route. If for nothing else a fun gun for everyone. Id be more inclined to keep it gassed and in the 6-7lb range all said and done. Likely wearing a swfa ultralight with the msr reticle. If any of you have build suggestions for that, shoot.

Here's what I did. Its a sweet little (cough long ) gun. Shoots great. Took it to 620 over Thanksgiving. 16" plate was boring. Ive also done a 3 gun match with it and did well. The lightweight components have been somewhat tricky. I dont get consistent lock back, but for a hunting gun who cares (ive got other guns if 30 round mag dumps in combat scenarios are the order of the day ).

My thought was...why do a bolt 223 when I can do an ar thats lighter...then go run it hard in 3 guns and enjoy it on occasion. And if they'll ever drop some 77 gr tmks in nas3 cases I'll get near creedmoor velocity with the 20". The BH 77 gr at 2790 are pretty nasty though! Debated going with a 22 arc, but the 16" barrels weighed more then the criterion core 20" 556.

It was a joy to carry in arizona while scouting this year.

Post in thread 'Ultralight Ultralight Rifles' https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/ultralight-ultralight-rifles.329402/post-4312736

Post in thread 'Ultralight Ultralight Rifles' https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/ultralight-ultralight-rifles.329402/post-4318379

 

[Robpiat]

From a flexibility standpoint, it’s hard to beat a collapsible ar style stock. Both my girls started on a mp22 and progressed to other mostly pink rifles. They never got too interested but both can shoot well.

 

[shmtastic]

10" LOP with an MDT chassis and a Magpul MOE PR stock. My daughter is in love with it.

 

[BLJ]

10" LOP with an MDT chassis and a Magpul MOE PR stock. My daughter is in love with it.

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Info on the magnetic holder on the door? Thanks.

 

[Brandon.miller.4]

All of these are really cool ideas

 

[shmtastic]

Info on the magnetic holder on the door? Thanks.

It was a Christmas gift years and years ago. A quick Google search says it's a Lockdown 3 gun magnetic holder. Midway has them for 20$

 

[Robpiat]

Info on the magnetic holder on the door? Thanks.

Amazon.com

 

[BLJ]

Thanks guys.

 

[FSB12B]

I’m also going to second/third shooting off a tripod. Cut the LOP to desire as well.

With/without an arca adaptor. The VA5 is a perfect head to rest the fore end of the stock on, and have them practice shooting off of it. I leave the tripod extended to “shoulder height” and pack that around until my boy is ready to shoot.

He’s to the point where he’s on tripod, behind scope, and on animal within 10 seconds and a shot off within 20-30 if he decides he wants it.

Obviously practice helps, but just another way to keep it simple and give them the best opportunity to take their animals. He’s 2/2 by the way and damn deadly within 300 yards.

 

[ezwy]

My right handed daughter did not do well with the left side charging solo 300. (My left hand son does great with it.) she however does great with the bear creek bolt action. For caliber restrictions we did the 6x45, but otherwise I would have stuck with a 223. Hers with the BCA bolt action scope and suppressor is right at 7 lbs. The solo is closer to 5, but doesn’t have the big squishy buttstock etc. they still learn the bolt action but it’s all so adjustable and pretty economical.

 

[Tahoe1305]

Actually that “thought” may have inspired me.

I have plenty of AR tubes. And a Luth AR stock (check them out for full adjustably and light weight). Nothing keeping me from using it on the XLR chassis.

I may try that next vs cutting up my tikka stocks.

Thx.

Here’s the inspiration from above.

Tried out a Ultradyne chassis with their spigot. 22oz before grip and stock. Not bad for half the cost of XLR and within 3oz. (Didn’t weigh but likely 2lbs all set up).

It adjusts from 12” to 15” and has an inch of cheek rise. Now we can both shoot the 223 with minor adjustments.

 

[Chris in TN]

Not sure how I missed this thread but does Boyd's make their AT-ONE stock for Tikkas?

I have a CZ457 with the AT-ONE stock on it and it was/is a very effective one-rifle-for-everyone .22lr for my kids and myself to shoot.

Like any other laminated stock, they're not light, but for what you're describing it sounds perfect.

 

[Tahoe1305]

Not sure how I missed this thread but does Boyd's make their AT-ONE stock for Tikkas?

I have a CZ457 with the AT-ONE stock on it and it was/is a very effective one-rifle-for-everyone .22lr for my kids and myself to shoot.

Like any other laminated stock, they're not light, but for what you're describing it sounds perfect.

Unknown….but after some googling I’d argue that the AT ONE may miss the mark on the short side of LOP at 12.5” for some of the youth we are after.

Those that are starting real young ones need about 11-11.5” range. I chopped a OEM tikka for that.

My kiddo is at the 12” ish range now at 7 and not quite to the tikka compact length.

If he was 9 I’m betting the 12.5” would be solid though.

 

[Brandon.miller.4]

Here’s the inspiration from above.

Tried out a Ultradyne chassis with their spigot. 22oz before grip and stock. Not bad for half the cost of XLR and within 3oz. (Didn’t weigh but likely 2lbs all set up).

It adjusts from 12” to 15” and has an inch of cheek rise. Now we can both shoot the 223 with minor adjustments.

Could you get me a weight of that whole rifle as it sits? And what all the parts are?

 

[Nine Banger]

Unknown….but after some googling I’d argue that the AT ONE may miss the mark on the short side of LOP at 12.5” for some of the youth we are after.

Those that are starting real young ones need about 11-11.5” range. I chopped a OEM tikka for that.

My kiddo is at the 12” ish range now at 7 and not quite to the tikka compact length.

If he was 9 I’m betting the 12.5” would be solid though.

My boys prefer the CZ "scout" stock to the AT ONE.

It's an irrational preference because the scout stock is awful with weird dimensions.

I think they like it because its slender.

The At One is a really chunky, clunky stock. I checked the measurements on it just now and it doesn't have a trigger in it but it seems to go from about 12" to 15" LOP. When the action was in the At One it was cool to pass it back and forth between myself and a boy and just pop out the LOP. After a while I stopped messing with it and just shot it the same length they were using it at. We were using blade front and peep rear so it was easier to go back and forth than with a scope. I can't remember why I swapped it back to the factory stock but they were both like "dang, this is way better."

I'll shoot their scoped rifles sometimes to confirm or re-zero. I'm noticing that that "too short" is much worse than "too long" i.e. tunnelling is worse for shooting than reduced FOV.

Comb height is more important than LOP.

 

[Nine Banger]

PS: the Boyd's AT ONE weighs 3 lbs...

 

[Chris in TN]

Unknown….but after some googling I’d argue that the AT ONE may miss the mark on the short side of LOP at 12.5” for some of the youth we are after.

Those that are starting real young ones need about 11-11.5” range. I chopped a OEM tikka for that.

My kiddo is at the 12” ish range now at 7 and not quite to the tikka compact length.

If he was 9 I’m betting the 12.5” would be solid though.

So, the AT-ONE fully collapsed is indeed about 12.5" but you can pull the entire collapsing butt out of it and get down to about 11.625", at least on ours.

Also - the model they supplied as OEM for the CZ457 has a nice vertical grip. The forend is a bit big for offhand shooting, certainly, but the butt itself, I really like. I do, however, see that what they offer as aftermarket, doesn't have the same grip. Not sure about that.

Whether removing the entire slide to get that 11.625" LOP is worth the expense of losing all recoil absorption (without adding some sort of temporary pad), is another question. There's always reduced loads, even for .223, if that's an issue. Or some sort of slip-on thin pad?

Either way - it's a suggestion, and no more. When my little boy was 6ish if his older sisters were shooting, he wanted to shoot too, badly enough to crawl the stock in whatever way he had to. I didn't make it a habit but I did let him shoot stuff if he insisted on it. I have a picture somewhere of all three kids standing in front of a 16" steel plate that all three of them had hit (and well) at ~400 yards, prone, and it was comical how my little boy looked crawling up over a fixed A2 stock on an AR15....but, again, he made it work.

I sort of think that when it comes to making stock lengths work for multiple shooters there are no perfect solutions, there are always tradeoffs, and I just wanted to offer the Boyd's stock as an option to consider. For what they cost they aren't terrible at all. But I'll freely concede that they have their own set of issues.

 

[Tahoe1305]

So, the AT-ONE fully collapsed is indeed about 12.5" but you can pull the entire collapsing butt out of it and get down to about 11.625", at least on ours.

Also - the model they supplied as OEM for the CZ457 has a nice vertical grip. The forend is a bit big for offhand shooting, certainly, but the butt itself, I really like. I do, however, see that what they offer as aftermarket, doesn't have the same grip. Not sure about that.

Whether removing the entire slide to get that 11.625" LOP is worth the expense of losing all recoil absorption (without adding some sort of temporary pad), is another question. There's always reduced loads, even for .223, if that's an issue. Or some sort of slip-on thin pad?

Either way - it's a suggestion, and no more. When my little boy was 6ish if his older sisters were shooting, he wanted to shoot too, badly enough to crawl the stock in whatever way he had to. I didn't make it a habit but I did let him shoot stuff if he insisted on it. I have a picture somewhere of all three kids standing in front of a 16" steel plate that all three of them had hit (and well) at ~400 yards, prone, and it was comical how my little boy looked crawling up over a fixed A2 stock on an AR15....but, again, he made it work.

I sort of think that when it comes to making stock lengths work for multiple shooters there are no perfect solutions, there are always tradeoffs, and I just wanted to offer the Boyd's stock as an option to consider. For what they cost they aren't terrible at all. But I'll freely concede that they have their own set of issues.

All good. They look sweet and I think being able to adjust for multiple shooters is awesome.

I think the options expand quite a bit at 12.5”+ .

I was just point out that getting shorter than that is tougher. Albeit if you can get another 1” or so without the pad that solves it.

I can’t imagine anyone needing much less than that…..in my experience that’s about a 4-5 year old.