Kids rifle...again.

[Chris in TN]

Unknown….but after some googling I’d argue that the AT ONE may miss the mark on the short side of LOP at 12.5” for some of the youth we are after.

Those that are starting real young ones need about 11-11.5” range. I chopped a OEM tikka for that.

My kiddo is at the 12” ish range now at 7 and not quite to the tikka compact length.

If he was 9 I’m betting the 12.5” would be solid though.

So, the AT-ONE fully collapsed is indeed about 12.5" but you can pull the entire collapsing butt out of it and get down to about 11.625", at least on ours.

Also - the model they supplied as OEM for the CZ457 has a nice vertical grip. The forend is a bit big for offhand shooting, certainly, but the butt itself, I really like. I do, however, see that what they offer as aftermarket, doesn't have the same grip. Not sure about that.

Whether removing the entire slide to get that 11.625" LOP is worth the expense of losing all recoil absorption (without adding some sort of temporary pad), is another question. There's always reduced loads, even for .223, if that's an issue. Or some sort of slip-on thin pad?

Either way - it's a suggestion, and no more. When my little boy was 6ish if his older sisters were shooting, he wanted to shoot too, badly enough to crawl the stock in whatever way he had to. I didn't make it a habit but I did let him shoot stuff if he insisted on it. I have a picture somewhere of all three kids standing in front of a 16" steel plate that all three of them had hit (and well) at ~400 yards, prone, and it was comical how my little boy looked crawling up over a fixed A2 stock on an AR15....but, again, he made it work.

I sort of think that when it comes to making stock lengths work for multiple shooters there are no perfect solutions, there are always tradeoffs, and I just wanted to offer the Boyd's stock as an option to consider. For what they cost they aren't terrible at all. But I'll freely concede that they have their own set of issues.

 

[Tahoe1305]

So, the AT-ONE fully collapsed is indeed about 12.5" but you can pull the entire collapsing butt out of it and get down to about 11.625", at least on ours.

Also - the model they supplied as OEM for the CZ457 has a nice vertical grip. The forend is a bit big for offhand shooting, certainly, but the butt itself, I really like. I do, however, see that what they offer as aftermarket, doesn't have the same grip. Not sure about that.

Whether removing the entire slide to get that 11.625" LOP is worth the expense of losing all recoil absorption (without adding some sort of temporary pad), is another question. There's always reduced loads, even for .223, if that's an issue. Or some sort of slip-on thin pad?

Either way - it's a suggestion, and no more. When my little boy was 6ish if his older sisters were shooting, he wanted to shoot too, badly enough to crawl the stock in whatever way he had to. I didn't make it a habit but I did let him shoot stuff if he insisted on it. I have a picture somewhere of all three kids standing in front of a 16" steel plate that all three of them had hit (and well) at ~400 yards, prone, and it was comical how my little boy looked crawling up over a fixed A2 stock on an AR15....but, again, he made it work.

I sort of think that when it comes to making stock lengths work for multiple shooters there are no perfect solutions, there are always tradeoffs, and I just wanted to offer the Boyd's stock as an option to consider. For what they cost they aren't terrible at all. But I'll freely concede that they have their own set of issues.

All good. They look sweet and I think being able to adjust for multiple shooters is awesome.

I think the options expand quite a bit at 12.5”+ .

I was just point out that getting shorter than that is tougher. Albeit if you can get another 1” or so without the pad that solves it.

I can’t imagine anyone needing much less than that…..in my experience that’s about a 4-5 year old.

 

[Chris in TN]

When the action was in the At One it was cool to pass it back and forth between myself and a boy and just pop out the LOP. After a while I stopped messing with it and just shot it the same length they were using it at. We were using blade front and peep rear so it was easier to go back and forth than with a scope. I can't remember why I swapped it back to the factory stock but they were both like "dang, this is way better."

I'll shoot their scoped rifles sometimes to confirm or re-zero. I'm noticing that that "too short" is much worse than "too long" i.e. tunnelling is worse for shooting than reduced FOV.

Comb height is more important than LOP.

Right now my house is in a season of life where the guns the kids shoot, are all 'too short' for me, and the guns the kids shoot, are the ones wearing all the suppressors - so I do a whole lot of shooting with 'too short' stocks right now.

I won't say length doesn't matter, at all - of course it does and there's an optimum length and at least some range that is close enough to ideal - but I'll just say that using their too-short stocks (not only less than optimum, but completely out of the ideal range) doesn't bother me now half as much as it used to. I'm not even sure it bothers me at all. I hunted with their 6.5cm this year with the youth length stock and when I hunted with their collapsible stocked AR I didn't even bother extending it. I'm not saying it's ideal, but it isn't a limiting factor right now.

 

[WRO]

Option 5 Ruger precision rifle..

They all started with a Ruger precision 22

My kids have killed both killed there first critters with one.


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