Is there anyone who prefers MOA vs MIls for hunting purposes?

[mt terry d]

There's these videos I've seen on youtube of carpenters, random people, etc. and they are told to pull a certain amount of inches out of a tape measure. This is a tape measure right in front of their face, just without being able to see the numbers, facing the back of the tape and reaching out and pulling it up.

The amount of folks who get within an inch when told to "pull out 12" is slim to none. Even guys who cut lumber nominally every single day.

And we have guys on here suggesting that folks hold 5" higher or lower on camouflaged deer/elk hair at 500 yards. It's honestly, asinine haha. Now if someone said, hold half target high, or half target low, or hold on the top of spine, etc. while still not "precise" at all, is at least something potentially "attainable".

A woman was wanting me to build her a new log home.
We started discussing dimensions.
She says, "I want a room where I can have a 40 foot dining table".
Me:
I stepped off 40 feet.
Eight foot was closer to what she actually wanted.

 

[Kurts86]

that is only correct if the shooter spots and see’s their miss. Most guys shooting a magnum caliber in a lightweight rifle do not stay on target to spot the shot. Again I am not discrediting what you are saying because you are absolutely correct. But unfortunately the average situation is a secondary person calling out a correction that is more often than not an estimation of inches. Hence the ease of conversion being a positive benefit.

I’d say more of the MIL anxiety comes from the shooters looking at their 100 yard paper target 1 weekend before deer season. That target has 1” grids so they use that 1” = 1 MOA to adjust their zero not to call misses in the wind at extended distances.

 

[Castle Rock]

Well, the radian is the angular unit adopted as part of the SI system, so it is metric.

There’s no fudge factor for pi. One radian is exactly the arc length along a circle, equal to 1000 yards at a radius of 1000 yards. And one milliradian is exactly an arc length of 1 yard at 1000 yards. The height at 1000 yards is approximately equal to the arc length, under the small angle approximation.

I seem to remember from my school days and that’s a bloody long time ago now, that the circumference of the Earth had something to do with working out the basis for the SI system please correct me if I’m wrong

 

[Mikido]

Quick drop sounds awesome in theory. However with my setups they are too fast so it doesn’t work out. I always make up a yardage tape and put it on turrets. So I can just range and dial to the yardage.

Same. Not sure why this isn’t more common

 

[SDHNTR]

Same. Not sure why this isn’t more common

Yardage turrets? Because conditions change.

 

[JF_Idaho]

Yardage turrets? Because conditions change.

So conditions affect yardage tapes but not quick drop?

 

[406Fend]

if i missed by "5 inches" not to difficult to make that adjustment whether it's MOA or MIL

 

[mt terry d]

Do those turret tapes stay on in all conditions?

 

[Eric92]

Do those turret tapes stay on in all conditions?

if i missed by "5 inches" not to difficult to make that adjustment whether it's MOA or MIL

Seems like an animal would still be dead if you are only off 5inches

 

[SDHNTR]

So conditions affect yardage tapes but not quick drop?

Yes. You can change your adjustment factor with quick drop easily.


What about when you change bullets or some load component? Or a new lot of factory ammo?

 

[JF_Idaho]

Yes. You can change your adjustment factor with quick drop easily.


What about when you change bullets or some load component? Or a new lot of factory ammo?

Well I guess you could either change your Yardage tape or if you're in the field do the same with you adjustment factor. I.e. 400 yard tape - 2 clicks, etc. It's functionally the exact same thing.

 

[7LRM]

It is up to personal preference, I use both and always remember which one you have .

 

[HuntHarder]

Do those turret tapes stay on in all conditions?

Doubt they would make it thru S2H arctic conditions.... Most dont set their guns up for the most extreme conditions tho. Tape on the scope, turret or stock with drops, works great.

 

[JackButler]

If someone likes one or the other there’s very little difference from the shooters I see at the range. As a practical matter there is no way around using what works and what works is plain to see.

The idea that someone using mils is somehow able to magically figure drop in their head as if gifted from birth doesn’t match what I see. I see guys who can’t function without a printout, or a solution from their gizmo. I applaud the guys who train together for quick shots using mils and for them I have no doubt it’s better - many guys I’m around should go to Form’s classes. Using mils that match trajectories of bullets moving at the speed of smell is more work from what I’ve seen, not less. In one afternoon I became bored listening to how correction factors are needed and calculated for my average flat shooting rifles.

I’m a carpenter at heart and by trade, and hobby metal worker so anything inch related comes naturally and interpolating tenths of inches or quarters is no harder than paying for lunch with a pocket full of change. For you young guys who have never seen it, “change” is a system of coins used as money before your credit card had apple tap. The idea that MOA is cursed and nobody actually understands it, or can use it is silly.

My 300 yard zero works great in MOA to any range I’ll be hunting. Call me crazy, but in one afternoon a teenager can remember enough to hit out to 600 yards with any fairly flat shooting rifle.

400 yards is a 2.5 MOA.
500 yards is 5 MOA.
600 yards is 7.5.

Every 20 yards is .5 MOA - super easy. Even slow thinking cousin Timmy who was dropped on his head as a kid can remember all this.

Most of the shot spotting bs is just shooting farther than you should. If you can’t connect with a first shot, you’re fooling yourself.

I like MOA fine, and used it for a long time, but your above example of memorizing drop would not be any harder with MIL's. Nothing wrong with MOA, but there's a reason a lot of guys have moved to MIL's.

 

[JackButler]

If I was 5” under the of point of aim, I’d aim 5” higher, moa or mil wouldn’t be a thought.

Assuming you mean holdover, that is great to about 400 yards. Once you get to a range where you'd have to hold over 67" or something, it gets tougher and most of us have better results dialing it.

 

[wapitibob]

Assuming you mean holdover, that is great to about 400 yards. Once you get to a range where you'd have to hold over 67" or something, it gets tougher and most of us have better results dialing it.

I dial for yardage.

 

[TaperPin]

I like MOA fine, and used it for a long time, but your above example of memorizing drop would not be any harder with MIL's. Nothing wrong with MOA, but there's a reason a lot of guys have moved to MIL's.

I’m looking forward to it. The kids I shoot with give me a hard time for not being up with the times, even though I smoke ‘em regularly. It will be fun to smoke ‘em with MILs.

 

[JackButler]

I dial for yardage.

Oh. When you said you’d aim 5” higher I assumed you mean holding 5” over. My bad.