Is there anyone who prefers MOA vs MIls for hunting purposes?

[Jordan Smith]

You must know a lot of math challenged hunters!

I’ve seen a lot of “average” hunters shoot under stress. Even top shooters like those that compete in the shooting sports, such as PRS and NRL-H, have mental slip-ups. The more mental gymnastics involved with making a shot, the more likelihood of a mental malfunction under stress.

 

[justin davis]

Quick drop sounds awesome in theory. However with my setups they are too fast so it doesn’t work out. I always make up a yardage tape and put it on turrets. So I can just range and dial to the yardage.

 

[solarshooter]

But I know that most shooters need to know their drops to the yardage they are comfortable shooting without needing any math, quick or slow.

As one of those I know that one rifle adds 1 moa for every 50 yards from my 200 yards zero to 500. Another rifle is 1.5 moa for every 50 yards from 200 to 500.

1.5moa for every 50 yards from 200 to 500 sure sounds like a math equation to me.

drop = # 50yd increments * 1.5

so at 484yds, I'm counting 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, and a half = 6.5, then 6.5*1.5 is uhhh, ~10, so 10moa.

Versus:
484 = 4.8-2 = 2.8
or
484 = 4.8-2 = 2.8 - 0.5 = 2.3

Second one, aka quickdrop, is way easier for me personally.

mils may be better if you take the time to learn the language

Boom, done, now you know the language.

 

[waspocrew]

My scopes are MOA and it's worked fine for me. Can't say I've missed out on an opportunity to shoot due to trying to figure out drops. My Revic BR4 spits out the correction, dial, then shoot.

I may try a MIL scope at some point, but for me, I have no personal reason to change.

 

[rookieforever33]

at 484yds, I'm counting 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, and a half = 6.5, then 6.5*1.5 is uhhh, ~10, so 10moa

I never claimed to be a math genius but that 6x1.5 is 9 moa. That is for 500 yards and is just as close as quick math and mils for most shots. I know many people have learned mils and it works well for them. Congratulations. What I am saying is know your equipment and every rifle /cartridge combo may be different math. Whatever you choose, validate, understand, and practice.

Mock people that aren't as "smart" as you if you like. I hope it helps you feel superior.

Back to the OPs comment. So.e people prefer moa because it is the first shooting "language" they learn. Not saying it is better. Just like some people prefer Chevrolet or Ford. You can find arguments for each. Both get you down the road.

 

[solarshooter]

Mock people that aren't as "smart" as you if you like. I hope it helps you feel superior.

Not mocking at all, the "uhh" was a literal translation as I tried to do that math in my head. I found 1.5*6.5 tricky, as well as trying to count how many 50yd increments. I literally had to use my fingers and count up from 200 to 484. I was legitimately trying your method and reporting my difficulty with it. Fundamentally, under pressure, I think multiplication is harder than addition/subtraction. Wind bracket math is hard enough.

 

[isleofGough]

Mil is simple and not actually metric. It relates to the circumference of a circle, so one miliradian at 1000 yards is one yard and at 1000 meters is one meter. (With a tiny fudge factor for pi approximation.

One can use moa and deal with inches and yards, but this is a hunting forum and who here can estimate a buck's height in inches?

 

[Buglebrush]

Started MOA and see no reason to switch. Never been an issue at all. Dialed for four one shot drt kills this past year.

 

[2-Stix]

I have 3 MOA, second focal plane NF NXS scopes. I don't shoot past 500 on animals in a near zero wind situation and really dont want to shoot past 400 yards. When I finally found out about MILs and first foal plane, I was to invested in scopes, cut turrits for my factory loads, and way to many boxes of ammo to want to change. I made the big investment about 2-3 years ago and need to stick with it for now.

If I got into PRS or NRL I can really see the advantage and I am sure it may cost me a buck/bull one day. The guys I hunt with dont even range, dial and shoot.

 

[Lawnboi]

Has anyone actually learned mils after shooting moa and decided moa was better. That’s a better questions.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Has anyone actually learned mils after shooting moa and decided moa was better. That’s a better questions.

I learned MIL's and quick drop and everything and committed, ordering Maven RS1.2's 3x as they came in waves, and they kept canceling my orders so I gave up at the time. Needless to say, I still have my Trijicons in MOA and my rifles still hit targets. It's fun to fantasize about hypothetical sniping situations where it's beneficial, but in reality I range my target, it spits out a solution, I dial, and shoot. If your rangefinder goes down, you don't have an accurate range to do quick drop math on anyways.

 

[Lawnboi]

I learned MIL's and quick drop and everything and committed, ordering Maven RS1.2's 3x as they came in waves, and they kept canceling my orders so I gave up at the time. Needless to say, I still have my Trijicons in MOA and my rifles still hit targets. It's fun to fantasize about hypothetical sniping situations where it's beneficial, but in reality I range my target, it spits out a solution, I dial, and shoot. If your rangefinder goes down, you don't have an accurate range to do quick drop math on anyways.

I don’t use quick drop really. I just shoot enough at sub 500 that I can pretty much know the mil hold as long as I know the bullet speed. That’s not my reason for staying with Mils after switching, just a benefit.

 

[huntnful]

Has anyone actually learned mils after shooting moa and decided moa was better. That’s a better questions.

I shot MOA for a while, then MIL for 3 years, then back to MOA last year.

I went back to MOA to try out a specific scope and it just honestly made zero difference in my circumstances. With my guns and the ballistic rangefinders I use, it doesn’t matter. I can hold edge of vitals in a full value 10MPH wind out to 500 yards, and ballistic calculator takes care of the drop the second I get the range. And also takes care of wind call also if it needs to be more precise.

Kind of nice to be able to talk the same language as my hunting partners again also since they all shoot MOA.

Definitely not opposed to go back to mil if something catches my eye though.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I shot MOA for a while, then MIL for 3 years, then back to MOA last year.

I went back to MOA to try out a specific scope and it just honestly made zero difference in my circumstances. With my guns and the ballistic rangefinders I use, it doesn’t matter. I can hold edge of vitals in a full value 10MPH wind out to 500 yards, and ballistic calculator takes care of the drop the second I get the range. And also takes care of wind call also if it needs to be more precise.

Kind of nice to be able to talk the same language as my hunting partners again also since they all shoot MOA.

Definitely not opposed to go back to mil if something catches my eye though.

No it’s cause you like clicking double the turret clicks to make your shots seem further, stop lying.

 

[BLJ]

No it’s cause you like clicking double the turret clicks to make your shots seem further, stop lying.

I think it’s actually closer to 3.4. So you would have to choose between 3.25 and 3.5 depending on the situation.
For the sake of clarity.





Sorry. Couldn’t help myself.

 

[huntnful]

No it’s cause you like clicking double the turret clicks to make your shots seem further, stop lying.

Lmao . No it’s so I can hit .11 MOA closer to my bullseyes than all you Mil guys hahaha

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I think it’s actually closer to 3.4. So you would have to choose between 3.25 and 3.5 depending on the situation.
For the sake of clarity.





Sorry. Couldn’t help myself.

Haha. This morning my dials at 950 with my 22 Creed were getting hits on a 12” gong with 5.8-6.0 MILs up depending on the canyon updraft/AJ and my wobble zone.

That would be like maybe 20 MOA or some shit I don’t know

 

[huntnful]

Haha. This morning my dials at 950 with my 22 Creed were getting hits on a 12” gong with 5.8-6.0 MILs up depending on the canyon updraft/AJ and my wobble zone.

That would be like maybe 20 MOA or some shit I don’t know

Probably 20.37 MOA. Simple stuff. Ultra precise and simple…

 

[Bluefish]

My take is both systems are angular measurements and if using a reticle as a ruler are functionally the same. I can see if using rifles that align with quick drop mil can be better, especially in competition where everyone is talking the same language. Unfortunately my hunting rifles don’t even make it into the bad catagory, but instead ultra bad, low bc and lower mv due to regulations, 2mph wind? I also have a lot of legacy scopes making it far too expensive to ever switch all to mil. My long range rifles tend to wear mil and my hunting rifles have whatever.

 

[TaperPin]

There’s this knucklehead kid that shoots pretty good - he has a number written on the turret knob every 100 yards. He couldn’t tell you how many inches or MILs some hold is - range it, dial and shoot. According to him you have to be a half whitt to not know how to estimate yardage in between the 100 yard red marks.

When asked if he got a printout for the trajectory farther out he chuckled, “Why wouldn’t I just keep shooting at a plate until hitting it dead center, make a mark, go to the next plate, make a mark, etc.” I think his common sense goes a long way and I’d trust his distances a lot more than some. lol