Is it all Leopolds

[Flyjunky]

I honestly don’t understand why Leupold can’t make a more durable scope? Will it cost them too much? Do they just not care? I’m sure they are well aware of the talk on forums like this one. If they had a scope exactly as they make right now but with durability they’d rule the market. I’d sell all my current scopes to buy theirs because I love their glass and eye box.

I called Leupold CS after my vx5 failed. The same picture I posted in this thread I sent to them. I asked specifically about their scopes losing zero and the person I was talking with hadn’t heard of the problem??? I didn’t expect them to come right out and say their scopes have problems but at least be honest and say it happens from time to time.

 

[KenLee]

I honestly don’t understand why Leupold can’t make a more durable scope? Will it cost them too much? Do they just not care? I’m sure they are well aware of the talk on forums like this one. If they had a scope exactly as they make right now but with durability they’d rule the market. I’d sell all my current scopes to buy theirs because I love their glass and eye box.

I called Leupold CS after my vx5 failed. The same picture I posted in this thread I sent to them. I asked specifically about their scopes losing zero and the person I was talking with hadn’t heard of the problem??? I didn’t expect them to come right out and say their scopes have problems but at least be honest and say it happens from time to time.

They are making money hand over fist, so they don't care

 

[Jake Larsen]

I honestly don’t understand why Leupold can’t make a more durable scope? Will it cost them too much? Do they just not care? I’m sure they are well aware of the talk on forums like this one. If they had a scope exactly as they make right now but with durability they’d rule the market. I’d sell all my current scopes to buy theirs because I love their glass and eye box.

I called Leupold CS after my vx5 failed. The same picture I posted in this thread I sent to them. I asked specifically about their scopes losing zero and the person I was talking with hadn’t heard of the problem??? I didn’t expect them to come right out and say their scopes have problems but at least be honest and say it happens from time to time.

Leupold Engineer's Comment on Tracking.

I listened to a podcast the other day that referenced a Leupold engineer saying that when their scopes fail to track properly, it is because when the internals are put together and lubricated, the grease does not always get spread throughout the erectors full range of motion. He said that when...

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In case people want to subject themselves to even more of this discussion. But yea. The engineers are aware of the discussion and the issues. It’s frustrating that they don’t do some R&D, but likely because those types of decisions are made through entire teams of analysis on ROI and market. One of my best friends works for SIG as an engineer. I ask him about stuff like this all the time that seems obvious from the consumer end of things. He just shrugs and says “the market analysis teams make those decisions” Until enough of the consumer base demands change, it won’t happen. I’d be willing to bet that Hunting scopes are a tiny tiny fraction of Leupolds total sales and business

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[Spoonbill]

I honestly don’t understand why Leupold can’t make a more durable scope? Will it cost them too much? Do they just not care? I’m sure they are well aware of the talk on forums like this one. If they had a scope exactly as they make right now but with durability they’d rule the market. I’d sell all my current scopes to buy theirs because I love their glass and eye box.

I called Leupold CS after my vx5 failed. The same picture I posted in this thread I sent to them. I asked specifically about their scopes losing zero and the person I was talking with hadn’t heard of the problem??? I didn’t expect them to come right out and say their scopes have problems but at least be honest and say it happens from time to time.

I think they sell enough scopes that they do not care. Leupold was always considered a great scope by the majority of hunters. I have several and didn’t know they routinely failed until I joined Rokslide.

 

[JohnJohnson]

I honestly don’t understand why Leupold can’t make a more durable scope? Will it cost them too much? Do they just not care?

I don't think durability comes into the mind of 99.9% of scope buyers at least in the US. People generally only care about "glass" from what I've seen. Though that's a dumb word and generally people don't even know what they mean by it.

 

[Flyjunky]

They are making money hand over fist, so they don't care

In my mind they could be making more money over that same fist, but it’s obviously their decision.

 

[JGRaider]

In my mind they could be making more money over that same fist, but it’s obviously their decision.

Damn those optics companies for making money. Shame on them.

 

[Flyjunky]

Damn those optics companies for making money. Shame on them.

How is it shame on them when I’m saying they could gain more customers and make even more money?

 

[Billy Goat]

When 98% of the market doesn't really track if their scope holds, or is bothered by re-zeroing when they get somewhere to hunt, how much market will they really pick up?



I'm not saying 98% of the scopes fail, I'm saying that probably 98% of the market is clueless on the topic. Everything that is pushed is about glass quality, or high zoom capabilities.

 

[JGRaider]

When 98% of the market doesn't really track if their scope holds, or is bothered by re-zeroing when they get somewhere to hunt, how much market will they really pick up?



I'm not saying 98% of the scopes fail, I'm saying that probably 98% of the market is clueless on the topic. Everything that is pushed is about glass quality, or high zoom capabilities.

Or maybe it's irrelevant to 98% of the market because these "non holding" scopes consistently kill stuff? Just a guess.

 

[Flyjunky]

When 98% of the market doesn't really track if their scope holds, or is bothered by re-zeroing when they get somewhere to hunt, how much market will they really pick up?



I'm not saying 98% of the scopes fail, I'm saying that probably 98% of the market is clueless on the topic. Everything that is pushed is about glass quality, or high zoom capabilities.

I get it but at some point, eventually, it will come back to bite them.

 

[bmart2622]

Just because it doesn't lead to a miss doesnt mean the zero didnt wander

 

[Reburn]

Or maybe it's irrelevant to 98% of the market because these "non holding" scopes consistently kill stuff? Just a guess.

98% of people have multiple scope and guns that never get used. They also dont really understand how scopes work. They also assume the scopes work as advertised. They have also been taught that rezeroing before a hunt is normal.

 

[BBob]

I get it but at some point, eventually, it will come back to bite them.

Maybe not. It’s been going on for well over 30 years as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Flyjunky]

Maybe not. It’s been going on for well over 30 years as far as I’m concerned.

Times are a changin’

 

[FrankieP1988]

If there is one thing to be learned from this thread, it is that Leupold is not a sponsor haha


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[JGRaider]

98% of people have multiple scope and guns that never get used. They also dont really understand how scopes work. They also assume the scopes work as advertised. They have also been taught that rezeroing before a hunt is normal.

I'd be willing to bet they're smart enough to know if they've killed something they've shot at.

 

[Choupique]

98% of people have multiple scope and guns that never get used. They also dont really understand how scopes work. They also assume the scopes work as advertised. They have also been taught that rezeroing before a hunt is normal.

You should see the looks i get in louisiana toting around a .338 with a swfa 3-15 on top. It's basically an abomination on a gun rack full of leupolds. I haven't had to adjust it since I set it the first time despite riding on the floor of a boat, in the bed of the truck, kid knocking it over on the ground. Didn't have to tap on the turrets. Didn't have to go past what I wanted to dial and go back to it. Didn't have to make a small adjustment to see how much it'd really move.

Life's good since I put that swfa on my main rifle, and I have a hard time taking anything else out now because I trust that rig so much.

 

[Billy Goat]

Or maybe it's irrelevant to 98% of the market because these "non holding" scopes consistently kill stuff? Just a guess.

Cars kill stuff all the time too.


Don't think that killing stuff is exactly the metric that should be used for determining if they hold zero.


Gut shots kill, ass shots kill, hail Mary hold overs kill, don't mean it's what we should strive for.

 

[Billy Goat]

Just because it doesn't lead to a miss doesnt mean the zero didnt wander

But as long as it still kills it's fine.....