Is it all Leopolds

[Flyjunky]

Things happen.

Good video, thanks for posting. As I stated earlier in this thread, my dad has ALWAYS used leupold scopes. His 6.5-284 wasn’t shooting as well as he thought it should and it was topped with a vx5. About 7 months ago he put a different brand on there, and just like your video showed, his groups decreased by half….same rings, same load, etc. The only difference was the scope.

A lifelong Leupold user is now replacing all of them.

I sent him the video.

 

[Archer86]

Ok, how about this one??!!

Just start the grandma exercises and you will do better at walking...

 

[bmart2622]

No facts, result to insults.....classic!!

 

[jimh406]

No facts, result to insults.....classic!!

Your grandma isn’t in shape?

 

[Archer86]

No facts, result to insults.....classic!!

you knew what I was referring to. Typical formie

 

[bmart2622]

Mmmm, pretty sure I read your quote EXACTLY the way you wrote it as well as when you doubled down on it.....refer to the above posts if you forgot

 

[bmart2622]

Your grandma isn’t in shape?

Shes a tough ole farm girl but unfortunately father time is starting to get the upper hand

 

[bmart2622]

you knew what I was referring to. Typical formie

How am I formie? For starters I dont even know what a formie is!!! I have a Leupold and a Vortex on rifles in my safe right now!!! And currently own ZERO NightForce scopes!!!

 

[Archer86]

How am I formie? For starters I dont even know what a formie is!!! I have a Leupold and a Vortex on rifles in my safe right now!!! And currently own ZERO NightForce scopes!!!

Well you know what a formie is by referring to the leupold or vortex and owning them so you couldt be a formie

formie: a follower of form the end all be all of rokslide

 

[bmart2622]

Man youre 0-2, arguably 0-3 maybe even 0-4 in this thread alone!!

 

[Archer86]

Man youre 0-2, arguably 0-3 maybe even 0-4 in this thread alone!!

Probabaly 0-4 I have fallen 0 times this year and you are at 4

If you cant slip trip fall whatever with out damaging a rifle then maybe get a different hobby. Guys really shouldn't be falling this much and it shouldn't be normal

Then if you do have a impact you can't go off those drop test to say well my rifle is good I have a drop tested scope unless you your self has drop tested your weapon system which a large majority don't and the only one I seen on here that tried to failed but most don't even try to the drop test give guys a false sense of security

 

[bmart2622]

Oooooop, wrong again!!! 0-5!!!!

 

[Flyjunky]

The problem with your analogy is that there are several scopes that do pass the drop tests…


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Not only that but there are many instances of Leupolds, and others, failing without any kind of fall involved.

People only focus on the falling, or dropping portion, but too many instances of failing to rtz after dialing or just losing/wandering zero with no abuse to the scope.

 

[BBob]

failing without any kind of fall involved.

Failing while riding in the back of the truck in a heavily padded Pelican case down a washboard road

 

[Jake Larsen]

Not only that but there are many instances of Leupolds, and others, failing without any kind of fall involved.

People only focus on the falling, or dropping portion, but too many instances of failing to rtz after dialing or just losing/wandering zero with no abuse to the scope.

Yes. Like mine did, causing me to miss a 190”+ mule deer. After I’d hunted him for 14 days. No falls, hard nocks, nothing. Just rode in a truck for several hours, then on a backpack for a bunch of miles. When tested, it showed a very large poi shift low. Re-zeroed. Failed a tall target test right after that. Put a Nightforce NSX 2.5-10 on the gun. Zeroed. Passed a tall target test. Verified out to 1,000 yards on steel. Hasn’t moved on me one time since.


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[pacoalcracker]

Castle Rock.....Nightforce scopes are made in America, in Orofino, Idaho. The glass is imported from Japan. Most scope and bino manufacturers do not make their own glass. Top tier glass is a highly specialized process. So no, they are not made or assembled in Japan/Asia. SWFA and Vortex etc are. That was my point.

 

[pacoalcracker]

Jake, I have the same NF NSX 2-10x42 scope. The other is a NSX 5.5-22x50. Both are a bit heavy though for my lightweight rigs but it's all about compromising.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Weren’t you earlier in this thread saying that it didn’t matter if a scope lost zero very much-




So now it’s all about “respecting living creatures”? But I guess not enough to find out if your rifle system (including scope) shift zero? Or not enough to choose a system that has a lower likelihood of losing zero.







But you are unable to draw the same correlation to say- use the scope least likely to inadvertently lose zero?

The cognitive disconnect…







No. That’s the entire point of choosing to use aiming devices that work better at steering lethal projectiles.




Yes- if you’re using fragile items and haven’t done the work to know what should or should not cause a “doubt”. Just driving to and from the hunting lease should be causing doubts in people’s minds with most scopes.

You are misrepresenting what I said. I was saying if anyone with any scope takes a fall, they owe it to the animal to verify point of impact. I don't give a frogs dick if it's in the middle of the woods and they're afraid of scaring animals, if they're respectable they verify point of impact.You disagree with that?

Drop tests may create a false sense of retaining zero in the event of a fall. Don't screw with me on that. You disagree?

I said earlier that a scope that varies a nominal amount with a good shooter within a cone of fire
is more desirable than a guy with a new dime on the rifle that isn't as versed in shooting a rifle. I would think many hunters weighing in here don't have experience vs the extent of your experience or mine. You disagrees?

Whether it's hundreds or thousands of big animals versus 40 big game animals, I think there comes a point where we can speak from experience. You disagrees?


Millions of hunters and millions of animals have been proving cone of fire for years.
Can't recall who brought up cone
of fire on this forum... Do you disagree?

Thoughts and processes evolve. You jump in with a contrary statement.

A good number have it figured out if they've hunted for decades with respect to what field accuracy is versus an absolute... If they don't, it's a CULT of a group of people who have not hunted enough in the real world to experience success with anything but a drop tested scope.

Drop testing scopes prove there are consistent options, if you think I'm disagreeing, you don't pay attention. Some Scopes do better in tests than others. Facts . Do you disagree?

Millions of animals and millions of scopes other than drop tested Scopes in the last hundred years say there's something different besides an absolute for harvesting game
Facts. Do you disagree?

You disagree with my statement that it's about respecting living creatures and call me out for not respecting them, BS. That statement is deflection IMO. There have been millions of incapable scopes killing millions of animals for years with one shot... That's gotta chap the hide of absolute followers.

Regardless of when you call me out for saying that or not saying that, it's what we all strive for and you'd rather cause dissonance and pick apart words. I don't disagree with drop tests but I think your words are big for your britches when you've waited many pages to weigh back in with the same argument for absolutes versus what reality means in the field with a vital-sized area.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Jake, I have the same NF NSX 2-10x42 scope. The other is a NSX 5.5-22x50. Both are a bit heavy though for my lightweight rigs but it's all about compromising.

I feel the same way. It’s a compromise. Eyebox took some getting used to as well, although it doesn’t bother me anymore. I’ve got two nearly identical rifles set up with that scope. Both are right at 8lbs supressed and ready to hunt. That’s the sweet spot for me in terms of weight. Any lighter and they’re very difficult to shoot well beyond about 400 yards. Any heavier and I really don’t like carrying them in the places I hunt.


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[JohnB]

Whats funny is they fact you guys try to make it normal to slip and fall all the time can't imagine falling down non stop like you guys just going for a walk in the woods. It's not that hard one foot In front of the next.....

Cougar hunting in the Washington Cascades yesterday involved blow down burned timber with no bark, 18" of snow and side-hilling ~35 degrees rocky slopes. Anyone that can get through a day of that without falling should either be on a gymnastics team or a wide receiver!

Edit: My god why did I post in this trainwreck of a thread.