Is it all Leopolds

I think that would only prove that it was off. It wouldn't prove how it happened.

If it was on “two weeks prior” according to the OP, then went into a safe. Then came out, and was off that significantly, that’s a very untrustworthy piece of gear. OP mentioned no drops, falls, ect. So logically, it moved from riding in a gun case to the mountains. Which matches up with LOTS of other people’s experiences. Including my own.

Maybe a ghost accessed the safe and spun some knobs just for fun though…who knows.


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Some of us have had no issues with ours, so logically there is something else going on.

The LOGIC is pretty darn simple. As myself and many others have stated from the very beginning of this thread. not ALL Leupold scopes have a problem. There are duds and studs. If you’ve got a good one, by all means, use it! They’re perfect hunting scopes on paper. Have been my favorite to use by far. But many people have had duds. And therefore will never trust them again, and are happy to share our results with others to potentially save them some of the pain we’ve experienced.

When somebody who’s had a good one reads threads like this, they tend to get hot under the collar, having never experienced something like it.

Good luck to you man, I genuinely hope yours continues to track and never costs you an animal. I wish I’d had the same experience


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bmart and jake...i did not say in any way there was a Form cult, only responding to Yukon's post referencing such cult...."that now he did it, he will upset said cult. I fully understand what Form is presenting to the RS crowd..it's just info that any one of us can utilize in whatever manner they choose. I've chosen to use it to try NF scopes out and see what is what. I wouldn't have done that if I thought he was full of crap or biased in any way and the data wasn't factual. I like to try things for myself before im in the "hell yeah" camp.
 
If it was on “two weeks prior” according to the OP, then went into a safe. Then came out, and was off that significantly, that’s a very untrustworthy piece of gear. OP mentioned no drops, falls, ect. So logically, it moved from riding in a gun case to the mountains. Which matches up with LOTS of other people’s experiences. Including my own.

Maybe a ghost accessed the safe and spun some knobs just for fun though…who knows.


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Some of us have had no issues with ours, so logically there is something else going on.
Just to clarify. He does not beat on his gear. He takes pretty good care of it. We are both too poor to buy stuff and not take good care of it. He does not even know rokslide exists and knows nothing of drop tests.
 
bmart and jake...i did not say in any way there was a Form cult, only responding to Yukon's post referencing such cult...."that now he did it, he will upset said cult. I fully understand what Form is presenting to the RS crowd..it's just info that any one of us can utilize in whatever manner they choose. I've chosen to use it to try NF scopes out and see what is what. I wouldn't have done that if I thought he was full of crap or biased in any way and the data wasn't factual. I like to try things for myself before im in the "hell yeah" camp.
And I’ve bought 2 NF and a trijicon scope after discovering the drop test stuff.

Kept one NF but not the other and just got rid of the trijicon to fund rhe nx8.

I’m giving that ten mile and credo a shot currently. Once I can find one I can afford.

Swfa will never come to me again unless I can view it first. I like viewing my target and that murky ass glass was terrible on the last two attempts.
 
Anyone else see the recent Backfire video about a miss at a buck this year?
I didn't see the followup though.

Did you see the thread a few weeks ago on here? There were lots of people that immediately blamed the scope, but it was the bedding.
 
bmart and jake...i did not say in any way there was a Form cult, only responding to Yukon's post referencing such cult...."that now he did it, he will upset said cult. I fully understand what Form is presenting to the RS crowd..it's just info that any one of us can utilize in whatever manner they choose. I've chosen to use it to try NF scopes out and see what is what. I wouldn't have done that if I thought he was full of crap or biased in any way and the data wasn't factual. I like to try things for myself before im in the "hell yeah" camp.

Appreciate the clarification. Im the same way with testing gear. In this case specifically, I’ve experienced the exact failures Form has recreated with testing, and had great luck using scopes the “drop tests” recommend.

I don’t agree with him about everything, that’s for sure. He and I have had our fair share of back and forth on this forum, especially when it comes to caliber and bullet selection. I just appreciate that from what I’ve seen, he’s quite rigorous with his testing, and clearly tries to appeal to empirical evidence when discussing these topics. Some things are subjective, such as what type of wound cavity you’d like to see on your game animals. Some things aren’t subjective; I just about guarantee that if any of these guys arguing for Leupold had my old scope on their rifle, they’d be singing a different song.


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I have a low use Leupold if anyone is interested in it.

Pulled it off a gun a dozen years ago. Glass looks perfect, can't exactly remember why I took it off now, guess my memory is just fading. Been sitting on a shelf.

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First treefiddy gets it.
Yesterday I would have bought this. Today I can’t. It may fail me.


J/k

I just bought a scope last week so I have no money currently.
 
I’m not hurt at all. You seem hurt that most people trust the choices of pro shooters and elite military units more than they trust the word of a couple random internet guys. The “tests” here are information, but the veracity of that info is unknown. I don’t doubt some have failed. But how would we know if some of them had loose scope rings, inconsistencies in their reloads, can’t call wind from one day to the next etc…?
I trusted the words of elite military snipers when they tell me their issued leupolds failed a bunch and that I should buy something different for my hunting rifle.

I still bought one of the new mk4 HDs and might buy another for a nrl rifle. I don’t think they are awful scopes but they HAVE put a lot of less than reliable scopes on issued weapons.
 
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Just to clarify. He does not beat on his gear. He takes pretty good care of it. We are both too poor to buy stuff and not take good care of it. He does not even know rokslide exists and knows nothing of drop tests.
I didn't say he beat on his gear, but that doesn't mean everything is setup correctly, he has good quality rings and mounts correctly setup, etc.

I'll say it again. Buy what works for you, but that doesn't mean that the gear is a problem. Maybe it is.
 
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