Is it all Leopolds

[Billy Goat]

In fairness PRS embraces the fact that it's just an expensive game. The one to do away with the zero range would probably be better suited to NRL Hunter.

I'm looking at if PRS is going to be held as some sort of proving ground for equipment.


But yes, probably be more practical to the NRL Hunter shoots.

 

[Axlrod]

The mere mention of the word "Leupold" always provides entertaining/repetitive discussions. In reality this stuff really isn't that hard........

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What muffler is on that Utv, that allowed you to sneak up on the elk?
Was it sleeping on the road?
Did you use the roof as a rest?
What cartridge/bullet did you use?

 

[Shraggs]

Your logic does make sense if you are telling people the scope won’t hold zero when you sell it. Maybe you did that, but I can’t imagine anyone would pay much for a scope that you advertise as not holding zero.

Dude, according to you and others leupolds hold zero and it’s a shitting shooting, different ammo, loose rings etc that dumb internet people don’t understand.

If I or Marbles are selling a scope because of our experience, have the factory repair or claim it’s with in standards the you and others should be confident in getting a deal on scopes you love and defend.

You can’t have it both ways, horns add zero credibility, and accusations of poor integrity is the ultimate defeat in an intellectual discussion.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Amusing progression.

If true, then the inverse must also be true, the person who bought the scope has no integrity because they took advantage of someone falsely believing the products are flawed..... Now it is starting to sound like buying and selling are not compatible with integrity.

Hell, perhaps giving them away is also an integrity violation and destructive disposal is the only acceptable course. Though, now we might be abligated to pass laws against them too.

Are we at the bottom yet?

If the scope is sold with full disclosure lie this:
Hey man. Leupolds are shit. It will fail and I don’t trust it. I’m going to give you a significant discount on it.

We al know that ain’t going to happen.
Why?

In all seriousness, if it’s that bad, please tell the person buying it why you are selling it.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

I took the time to send each and every failed Leupold back to them to repair/check for failure. I sold them when they came back with full disclosure that they went to Leupold for issues/suspected issues. No one batted an eye purchasing one. Is my integrity gone or is it still okay?

You notified. You are good to go.

Honestly, I expected this response from
Most. Why? One it’s the internet. Two I really hope most guys are honest. But, I know many won’t send it in and won’t notify the next guy there may be issues.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Had mine repaired under warranty and sold with the paperwork.

That would be good to go. You provided the documentation. Did you explain that they fail? And will fail and can’t be trusted? Did you take Pennies on the dollar?

I always try to sell
Something and I’ll take a massive loss if I need to.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

My first gun is a M70 featherweight that has a vari-x II on it. My Dads M70 supergrade has a Vari-X III. Both sit in the safe and the Seekins or Tikka with Trijicons go out in the field, but I kinda want to take the M70s out and shoot them now .

You will miss though.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

That would be good to go. You provided the documentation. Did you explain that they fail? And will fail and can’t be trusted? Did you take Pennies on the dollar?

I always try to sell
Something and I’ll take a massive loss if I need to.

I’ve sold items for deals and even given things away on this forum, and have donated to the classifieds.

I don’t recall what I sold them for, but it would have been for an excellent used deal for someone.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

To refocus and answer the OP’s question…



It isn’t ALL leupolds.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

I’ve sold items for deals and even given things away on this forum, and have donated to the classifieds.

I don’t recall what I sold them for, but it would have been for an excellent used deal for someone.

I believe ya. All your responses here gave supported you being a solid dude. Even when you didn’t take same stance.

Now to find that 8x56

 

[35WhelenAI]

279 posts later... good closure to this butt hurt train wreck for both sides.

 

[jimh406]

279 posts later... good closure

Who got closure?

 

[Archer86]

 

[fwafwow]

I’m not sure who is in charge of passing judgment on whether my past Leupold sale on RS passes ethical review, but for what it’s worth:

if my personal Leupold never failed me (admittedly following very little actual use), and I made the personal decision that I’d prefer to switch to another brand that I believe is more reliable, was I morally deficient in failing to explain that change of view/basis to the buyer on here?

 

[Billy Goat]

I’m not sure who is in charge of passing judgment on whether my past Leupold sale on RS passes ethical review, but for what it’s worth:

if my personal Leupold never failed me (admittedly following very little actual use), and I made the personal decision that I’d prefer to switch to another brand that I believe is more reliable, was I morally deficient in failing to explain that change of view/basis to the buyer on here?

All that matters is if you sold it for more than you paid for it.



As long as you didn't, you are fine.

 

[5811]

I’m not sure who is in charge of passing judgment on whether my past Leupold sale on RS passes ethical review, but for what it’s worth:

if my personal Leupold never failed me (admittedly following very little actual use), and I made the personal decision that I’d prefer to switch to another brand that I believe is more reliable, was I morally deficient in failing to explain that change of view/basis to the buyer on here?

Yes, morally corrupt. Also way worse if it was MOA and you know mils are better and didn't say anything.

 

[fwafwow]

Yes, morally corrupt. Also way worse if it was MOA and you know mils are better and didn't say anything.

Thank you.

I’m thinking ahead for my upcoming NF scope I will be putting up on the classifieds:

“WTT/WTS - NF SHV 3-10x 40. Full disclosure - I never shot this scope, but I mounted it. It has seen some use (please see https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/nightforce-shv-3-10x40mm-field-eval.338360/). It’s also MOA, which God has proclaimed inferior to MILs. It’s also not a Leupold. More pics available for serious buyers.”

 

[z987k]

I would say the value of used leupolds has tanked. It seems like they go for about 50-60% of new. Swfas go for about 150% of new.

 

[bmart2622]

Knowing it wouldn’t hold zero

There was nothing keeping the buyer from being an informed consumer and doing their due diligence and knowing its a roll of the dice

 

[35WhelenAI]

Who got closure?

Lol, I thought it was a good ending point regardless of who wants to claim closure... This stuff breaks guys down and gets into a urinary Olympian. We all know what has worked, we all know what is more reliable. Both of them exist at the same time. It's ridiculous to pic nits and play semantics from either side.

I've had Leupolds on my rifles for 30 years, more big game than some hunters have seen in their life has gone in my freezer. However I am not going to lie, I wonder what's up when
I'm needing to tweak each year when verifying zero. Even after a successful hunt the year before, that put the bullet right where I wanted it.

Last spring bought a Meopro 3-9x40 BDC from a member here. I have since mounted it on my main hunting gun. Will do a comparison. If the Meopro scope holds tighter groups over a couple range sessions, then I know there's an answer to the question.