Is CWD the Imminent Doom for Hunting?

[HvyBeams]

In fact the ironic thing is cwd is usually prevalent in a herd that is over objective (more animals than ideal).

I am unaware of any mule deer herd over objective in Wyoming, and yet plenty have CWD.

 

[Wyo_hntr]

I am unaware of any mule deer herd over objective in Wyoming, and yet plenty have CWD.

Yet elk are the exact opposite. Could it be cwd isn't the reason?

Or it must be cwd and only cwd?

 

[mt terry d]

I’m of the opposite opinion. The most ethical thing you can do as a hunter who cares about conservation biology is to cull and toss the meat.

It’s about population health not an individual animal’s (or even a herd’s) health.

Then we should petition our Game managers to poison/exterminate them.;
for herd health?

Maybe we can start an organization.

I bet we can get the non-hunting community to support us. And government funding.

 

[tpicou]

Then we should petition our Game managers to poison/exterminate them.;
for herd health?

Maybe we can start an organization.

I bet we can get the non-hunting community to support us. And government funding.

Do you think game limits are for the hunter’s benefit or for the population’s? Our limits are 15 antlerless and 2 antlered. There are a lot of reasons to kill animals for the benefit of the population.

 

[spike camp]

Then we should petition our Game managers to poison/exterminate them.;
for herd health?

Maybe we can start an organization.

I bet we can get the non-hunting community to support us. And government funding.

How have you been impacted by CWD in your lifetime?

 

[cuerro viejo]

Oh sorry yeah misread that. Here are two studies that show population decline in endemic CWD areas for white tail and mule deer.

I think a reason it’s not as apparent as other disease is that it kills slowly and we basically breed deer like rabbits in the US. It is definitely fatal, though. So I’m of the opinion that it’s better to not have it than to have it. So I have zero issue thinning out populations and not eating meat (out of an abundance of caution) if it means slowing the spread. Also, I’m kind of biased because you can kill as deer as you want where I am so like…tossing a few is whatever? I get the hesitation for people that don’t have that blessing/curse (we have way too many deer).

Endemic chronic wasting disease causes mule deer population decline in Wyoming

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a fatal transmissible spongiform encephalopathy affecting white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus), mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus), Rocky Mountain elk (Cervus elaphus nelsoni), and moose (Alces alces shirasi) in North America. In southeastern Wyoming average...

journals.plos.org

Chronic Wasting Disease Drives Population Decline of White-Tailed Deer

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is an invariably fatal transmissible spongiform encephalopathy of white-tailed deer, mule deer, elk, and moose. Despite a 100% fatality rate, areas of high prevalence, and increasingly expanding geographic endemic areas, little is known about the population-level...

journals.plos.org

CWD positive fawns? and no live testing….

Fawn survival is winter kill or man/predation not CWD

 

[cuerro viejo]

Food for thought.....

If people were being diagnosed with CJD mistakenly, when they actually contracted CWD from eating game. Then areas like Wisconsin for example where people have been eating it every year, year after year for decades, would have a very high rate of CJD per capita compared to anywhere else. People in those areas eat those deer without testing and could care less.

I live in Wyoming and no one even talks about CWD let alone tests animals that are coming from 50%+ infection rate areas. Everyone is eating it and there's no increase of CJD in these areas.

For the record, I test everything I kill and won't let my family eat anything that hasent been tested. The biologist are always extremely great full when I bring in lymph nodes.

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The Covid mRNA vaccine has higher probability of CJD. With that said there hasn’t been a statistical significant CJD up tick over past 50 years.

 

[Steve O]

This is so stupid. Just another “cause” to waste billions of dollars on. Similar to “global warming”, CWD has been here since the animals existed; we only now have the tools to monitor/test for it. AND exactly like “global warming”, humans are not going to do a damn thing to change it.

The world would be a much better place if people used some common sense and didn’t hang on every word of “experts” who’s funding depends on the latest gloom and doom study…

 

[spike camp]

This is so stupid. Just another “cause” to waste billions of dollars on. Similar to “global warming”, CWD has been here since the animals existed; we only now have the tools to monitor/test for it. AND exactly like “global warming”, humans are not going to do a damn thing to change it.

The world would be a much better place if people used some common sense and didn’t hang on every word of “experts” who’s funding depends on the latest gloom and doom study…

Totally incorrect.

 

[mt terry d]

How have you been impacted by CWD in your lifetime?

Not one bit.

( you apparently missed the sarcasm. Sorry, my bad)

But my point still stands. If they need to be eradicated, then eradicate; no season,
poison, heck put a bounty on them, whatever.

If not then leave them as is. Nature will figure it out.

And those who are willing to kill and throw away go back to target shooting.

 

[mt terry d]

Do you think game limits are for the hunter’s benefit or for the population’s? Our limits are 15 antlerless and 2 antlered. There are a lot of reasons to kill animals for the benefit of the population.

Sometimes both. Sometimes one or the other.
Depends on who has the power in which state.

I take it the "experts" said to exterminate for the good of the herd you'd be on board?

 

[Maki35]

I read this article 2 weeks ago.

Two Hunters Died of Rare Prion Disease. Doctors Suspect a First-of-Its Kind Deer Transmission

Two recent cases of prion disease in the U.S. may have been caused by contaminated deer meat, though the connection is still unproven.

gizmodo.com

 

[spike camp]

Not one bit.

( you apparently missed the sarcasm. Sorry, my bad)

But my point still stands. If they need to be eradicated, then eradicate; no season,
poison, heck put a bounty on them, whatever.

If not then leave them as is. Nature will figure it out.

And those who are willing to kill and throw away go back to target shooting.

I didn’t think so, based on your opinions and replies.

It’s pretty easy to decipher who is educated on a subject, or just flapping gums (or fingertips in this case).

 

[Dogone]

We had a huge cull in Saskatchewan about 15 years ago. Many took over 100 deer . There were trucks piled high . That was mules . I don’t know if it helped . WTD and mules have been up and down since.Right now mules are down locally and WT are poor. We are a hot zone for CWD but hunting continues.

 

[timfresh]

Lots of threads on CWD lately and I started researching it. I dont see how this doesnt end sport hunting in the next 20 years .

Any hope out there?

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Not for coyote hunting.

 

[grfox92]

This is so stupid. Just another “cause” to waste billions of dollars on. Similar to “global warming”, CWD has been here since the animals existed; we only now have the tools to monitor/test for it. AND exactly like “global warming”, humans are not going to do a damn thing to change it.

The world would be a much better place if people used some common sense and didn’t hang on every word of “experts” who’s funding depends on the latest gloom and doom study…

CWD has absolutely not always been there since the animals existence. In fact they know for a fact that it was new on the landscape when it was first detected in the 70s.

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[H2PVon]

CWD has absolutely not always been there since the animals existence. In fact they know for a fact that it was new on the landscape when it was first detected in the 70s.

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Where did you find this? I'd like to read it.

 

[Wyo_hntr]

CWD has absolutely not always been there since the animals existence. In fact they know for a fact that it was new on the landscape when it was first detected in the 70s.

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Let's assume this is true. Where did it come from? Did one day cwd just happen? Or did it come from the Colorado research facility?

What do you think?

If it came from the (I believe CSU) research facility, it begs the question, why in the world were they performing this type of research? Furthermore if it did come from the research facility (like another novel disease we had to deal with) when are these researchers going to be held accountable for their reckless negligence? Why are we funding this nonsense?

 

[grfox92]

Let's assume this is true. Where did it come from? Did one day cwd just happen? Or did it come from the Colorado research facility?

What do you think?

If it came from the (I believe CSU) research facility, it begs the question, why in the world were they performing this type of research? Furthermore if it did come from the research facility (like another novel disease we had to deal with) when are these researchers going to be held accountable for their reckless negligence? Why are we funding this nonsense?

No idea where it came from. Doesn't really matter either. It's here forever now.

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[grfox92]

Where did you find this? I'd like to read it.

From my local field office biologist, disease specialists at Game and Fish. Much like alot of people posting here, I care about real facts and not speculation or bro science. I ask my questions and vent my concerns to the people with degrees in Biology who are actively studying and managing CWD.

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