Interesting Facebook post

[ODB]

How many of you think the growing popularity of long range hunting in both archery and firearms is contributing to this phenomenon?

ClearCreek

Stop saying the quiet part out loud. There’s someone with a rangefinder, drop-chart, and a small-caliber rifle ready to flame you…and me…

Carry on men…

 

[TheTone]

If that’s true that’s a sad sad statistic

I’ve never seen or heard any IDFG bio reference it and I know a bunch of them and interacted with them on season setting, etc

 

[butcherboy]

I’ve recovered many broadheads, bullets, shotgun pellets, .22 bullets, wire, sticks, even a few broken antler tines from animals over the years. I’ve actually seen more old bullet wounds than I ever have archery wounds. The craziest was a full length arrow minus the fletching buried lengthwise in an elk backstrap. Went to take it out but it wasn’t there?! WTH?! Ended up being a totally encased length of cartilage and tissue where an arrow used to be with broken pieces of a mechanical broadhead at the end. It was all black like a carbon arrow and hard. The exact size and length of the arrow. It must have healed up and at some point the arrow came out or the elk pulled it out leaving this hard “tube” where the arrow was.

 

[BuzzH]

I've found bullets and arrows both in game animals.

Pretty common in the "archery only" area I hunted for years to find .22 slugs in deer.

Found one high power rifle bullet in a whitetail buck that my brother shot, encased in tissue.

Last years WT buck I shot in Montana had a .22 slug in the neck...poaching is rampant from the inhabitants of the nearby town, that a friend of mine describes as a "retirement community for carneys".

 

[long hunter]

The taxidermist I use has a rather large box of items he has found doing different mounts, it is surprising what all is in that box.

 

[timmymac24]

 

[timmymac24]

That's the head I pulled out of my cow elk shot in AZ, any ideas on what it is? Obviously didn't do it's job along with the archer and their bow. It was completely covered in tissue.

 

[browning2480]

Looks like a shwacker

 

[butcherboy]

Yep, I was going to say a shwaker broadhead but I was beat to it. Lol

 

[mgray]

I shot a buck with a Thunderhead behind his eye last year. Looked healthy otherwise.

 

[Opah]

"With the overall increase of new hunters out West and most of them archery hunting it was only a matter of time."
With out a lot of training and practice a newbie would be hard pressed just to get close enough, To take a shot.
I don't think anything much has changed. it is has being talked about more than in the past.

 

[Nick87]

Shot a buck years back when I was cutting out the Backstrom there was an expandable briadhead lodged into one of his vertebrae. Buck was 2.5 so I'm guessing it was the previous year. God damn that has got to be sore.

 

[Bighorner]

I'll be the first guy to say sh!t happens, but when it happens every year, maybe a couple time a year I get pretty darn tied of it. Thats not sh!t happens that's sh!t ethics and theres a darn big difference. This year really made question the direction things are heading.

 

[chadcharb]

Are those trad tips?

Looks like a g5 solid and an annihilator

 

[260madman]

Have a family member and his son that stuck 3 bucks this year and didn’t find them. Poor shot placement and should have never happened. After the 2nd I asked if they were hanging up the bows because obviously there’s an issue. Some stupid excuse. It’s like this every year it seems.

 

[Sapcut]

Most bowholders care much more about reaching the animal with their bow/arrow setup than they do about using heavier bows and heavier durable reliable arrows to maximize chances of blowing thru the animal. Apathy and vanity are the problems.

 

[brocksw]

Have a family member and his son that stuck 3 bucks this year and didn’t find them. Poor shot placement and should have never happened. After the 2nd I asked if they were hanging up the bows because obviously there’s an issue. Some stupid excuse. It’s like this every year it seems.

In 4 days of hunting the ND rifle season my group saw 3 wounded bucks from rifle hunters in 2 small areas. Bullets aren't magic and hunters toting rifles aren't magicians.

Most bowholders care much more about reaching the animal with their bow/arrow setup than they do about using heavier bows and heavier durable reliable arrows to maximize chances of blowing thru the animal. Apathy and vanity are the problems.

Women shoot elk every year with 45 lb archery set ups and light arrows. Nothing...and I mean NOTHING beats a well placed shot.

A well known hunter shot a bull elk this year with a 90 lb bow and hit it in the shoulder. Elk didn't die and needed another arrow in the boiler room to die. I firmly believe there's not a bow/arrow combo out there that can overcome a poor shot on an elk. There may be random exceptions but they are more luck than than anything.

 

[Sapcut]

Nothing...and I mean NOTHING beats a well placed shot.

Sure but that has nothing to do with my quote. You’re implying that, for some reason, one cannot make a well placed shot with a heavier more durable, better penetrating arrow shot from a heavier bow like one can with any other bow/arrow setup that is not near as likely to breach bone. It is not an either or situation. Your comment sounds more of a justification to shoot the lighter faster arrow that most just prefer to shoot…. to reach the animal.

And we all know that when that live animal moves and a less than perfect arrow placement occurs, the heavier setup gives a greater chance of lethal penetration.

 

[String&stick]

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I shot a buck with a Thunderhead behind his eye last year. Looked healthy otherwise.

In possible defense of a hunter. . . I've watched videos of a shot on a whitetail buck where the buck ducked and spun and the arrow deflected off of an antler. To safe my faith in humanity I'm going to assume this is what happened here instead of someone, somehow shooting a buck in the dome!

Pretty sweet euro now, but shitty for the deer!

 

[brocksw]

Sure but that has nothing to do with my quote. You’re implying that, for some reason, one cannot make a well placed shot with a heavier more durable, better penetrating arrow shot from a heavier bow like one can with any other bow/arrow setup that is not near as likely to breach bone. It is not an either or situation. Your comment sounds more of a justification to shoot the lighter faster arrow that most just prefer to shoot…. to reach the animal.

And we all know that when that live animal moves and a less than perfect arrow placement occurs, the heavier setup gives a greater chance of lethal penetration.

Sure but that has nothing to do with my quote. You’re implying that, for some reason, one cannot make a well placed shot with a heavier more durable, better penetrating arrow shot from a heavier bow like one can with any other bow/arrow setup that is not near as likely to breach bone. It is not an either or situation. Your comment sounds more of a justification to shoot the lighter faster arrow that most just prefer to shoot…. to reach the animal.

And we all know that when that live animal moves and a less than perfect arrow placement occurs, the heavier setup gives a greater chance of lethal penetration.

Bull elk broadside at 40 yards. I'll take a 375 gr arrow to the heart over a 550 gr arrow to the knuckle of the front should every single day of the week.

I shoot 475-540 gr arrows but I'm not gonna make some blanket statement that "most bowhunters" prioritize light arrows for long range. You're making that statement like it's fact...but based on what?