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[Dparenti547]

If I would think like this I wouldn't hunt!

You are so right!! Anticipate an imperfect shot!! Does the arrow DRIVE THRU?????

 

[Dparenti547]

You want the arrow to go through the animal, right???? Does anyone disagree with this??

 

[bigW]

You want the arrow to go through the animal, right???? Does anyone disagree with this??

...a pass through is not necessarily on top of my list (I just would shoot FP if this would be the case ) - shoot a BH with a bigger cutting diameter and the likelihood for a pass through becomes smaller while the inflicted wound will become likely more deadly - especially if you hit what your are aiming at!... the most likely benefit of a pass through is that it will likely result in better blood trail (and a smaller risk that the arrow will get destroyed) but it doesn't mean that the shot kills the animal faster (or at all)....

Eta: so whether it is a pass through or not doesn't define a perfect shot for me.

 

[Sapcut]

If I would think like this I wouldn't hunt!

Absolutely agree with you. You shouldn’t.

 

[Dparenti547]

...a pass through is not necessarily on top of my list (I just would shoot FP if this would be the case ) - shoot a BH with a bigger cutting diameter and the likelihood for a pass through becomes smaller while the inflicted wound will become likely more deadly - especially if you hit what your are aiming at!... the most likely benefit of a pass through is that it will likely result in better blood trail (and a smaller risk that the arrow will get destroyed) but it doesn't mean that the shot kills the animal faster (or at all)....

Eta: so whether it is a pass through or not doesn't define a perfect shot for me.

Quite possible the DUMBEST perspective a hunter could have. Shoot the animal to kill it quickly, don’t shoot it for a blood trail. If it dies in 40 yards you don’t need a blood trail. If you shoot an animal with a field point, it shouldn’t penetrate as much as a broadhead. A broadhead has razor blades that should cut through almost anything with little resistance. Your argument there is futile. Also makes me wonder if you’ve ever practiced with a broadhead…

A pass thru should be at the very top of every bowhunters list. ZERO EXCEPTIONS

 

[bigW]

Quite possible the DUMBEST perspective a hunter could have. Shoot the animal to kill it quickly, don’t shoot it for a blood trail. If it dies in 40 yards you don’t need a blood trail. If you shoot an animal with a field point, it shouldn’t penetrate as much as a broadhead. A broadhead has razor blades that should cut through almost anything with little resistance. Your argument there is futile. Also makes me wonder if you’ve ever practiced with a broadhead…

A pass thru should be at the very top of every bowhunters list. ZERO EXCEPTIONS

...hear the young whipper snipper, like my kids, knows everything better..... I must have wasted at least 40 years of my life doing the wrong things ....dunno .....

 

[Sapcut]

Most bowholders care much more about reaching the animal with their bow/arrow setup than they do about using heavier bows and heavier durable reliable arrows to maximize chances of blowing thru the animal. Apathy and vanity are the problems.

...a pass through is not necessarily on top of my list (I just would shoot FP if this would be the case ) - shoot a BH with a bigger cutting diameter and the likelihood for a pass through becomes smaller while the inflicted wound will become likely more deadly - especially if you hit what your are aiming at!... the most likely benefit of a pass through is that it will likely result in better blood trail (and a smaller risk that the arrow will get destroyed) but it doesn't mean that the shot kills the animal faster (or at all)....

Eta: so whether it is a pass through or not doesn't define a perfect shot for me.

Guess you're just one example of proving my point.

 

[Dparenti547]

...hear the young whipper snipper, like my kids, knows everything better..... I must have wasted at least 40 years of my life doing the wrong things ....dunno .....

That’s exactly what it sounds like. That’s why you don’t care about pass-thrus and you think field tips penetrate better than broadheads.
Pass-thrus aren’t on the top of your list because your light arrows with giant broadheads CAN’T pass thru an animal unless you hit it further back than you should. That’s probably resulted in poor blood trails for you, lost animals, and your desire to shoot something with a huge diameter. Bad solutions to common problems.

 

[bigW]

That’s exactly what it sounds like. That’s why you don’t care about pass-thrus and you think field tips penetrate better than broadheads.
Pass-thrus aren’t on the top of your list because your light arrows with giant broadheads CAN’T pass thru an animal unless you hit it further back than you should. That’s probably resulted in poor blood trails for you, lost animals, and your desire to shoot something with a huge diameter. Bad solutions to common problems.

....never heard...."Never ASSUME because when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME"....????

...can you calculate (without any app....) the slug via arrow speed (305 fps), TAW (430 grain) so we can discuss your deficits in physics without hyperventilating? ....do you know what BHs I shoot? ...do you know the recommended threshold for slug pending on game size?

Eta: btw, I actually usually do not hunt in the US / territories, Ca, etc. so I'm definitely not responsible for the issues this thread is about....

 

[Dparenti547]

....never heard...."Never ASSUME because when you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME"....????

...can you calculate (without any app....) the slug via arrow speed (305 fps), TAW (430 grain) so we can discuss your deficits in physics without hyperventilating? ....do you know what BHs I shoot? ...do you know the recommended threshold for slug pending on game size?

Eta: btw, I actually usually do not hunt in the US / territories, Ca, etc. so I'm definitely not responsible for the issues this thread is about....

I’m well aware of slug threshold. I’m aware of how heavy arrows start off with more momentum and maintain slug better down range than light arrows. I’m also aware that what matters is the momentum upon impacting and penetrating the target. I’m not worried about momentum threshold out of the bow. Your arrow loses speed twice as fast out of the bow as mine does. I shoot 584 grains @ 250 fps. You shoot 430 grains @ 305 fps.
Because of this difference in arrow weight -
Your bow is louder and vibrates more.
Your arrows are less forgiving at that speed.
Your arrows are near impossible to tune.
Your broadheads begin to plane excessively past 270-280 fps.
Your arrows are susceptible to excessive wind drift.
Your arrows lose speed at ~5fps per 10 yards, decreasing their momentum and KE at a faster rate at distance (say 50 yards).

My bow is quiet because of heavier arrows.
My arrows are more forgiving.
My arrows are tuned perfectly. Because of this,
ANY broadheads fly true to my field points, and don’t plane. (I shoot Annihilator 150xl)
The wind doesn’t drift my arrows off course.
My arrows lose less than 3 fps per 10 yards, and they maintain momentum slugs considerably better at 50 yards.

584gr @ 250fps:
.647 slugs @ launch, .610 slugs at 50yds
430gr @ 305 fps:
.580 slugs @ launch, .539 slugs at 50yds

So my heavy arrows lose .37 slugs over 50 yards
Your light arrows lose .41 slugs over 50 yards
That may not be a huge difference in loss over that distance, but at 50 yards my arrows penetrate better than yours by a HUGE margin. .071 slugs! Those numbers aren’t even comparable and makes a demonstrable difference in lethality.
And sorry, I did use an app. 3 actually. I’m not trying to play a guessing game with you. I like to be completely accurate and 100% informed.

 

[bigW]

...keep assuming if it makes you happy, you don't know what BH I use, you don't know my setup...

.....and it seems you don't know much about the difference between a stationary and a moving target: with a launch speed of 250 fps the chances your arrows will miss the vitals of a ducking dear at 50 yds are skyrocketing - better you stick with 16 yds-RF-pig shots otherwise your arrows will just contribute to the issues the topic is about.

Your arrow will need 0.62 sec to reach the game at 50 yds, with a response time of 0.2 sec the deer will (or will not!) drop by 865 mm (34"!!!!!!!) ...it's just hit and miss. My arrows with moderate fletching (2" TAC drivers - don't need more due to the whole setup...micro dia....etc.) have much less drag - they don't loose 5 fps per 10 yds, but approx., 5 fps per 15 yds (tested & verified!!!)....so my av. speed for a distance of 50 yds is 298 fps thus needing just 0.52 sec to reach the target...that allows the deer to duck "only" 500 mm max. (that's 365 mm less I have to worry about!!!!!) ...

Those are the physics, so keep reading and informing yourself, maybe one day you will get it....

...forgot to mention: the momentum of my arrows is 0.59 pounds*sec exceeding even the threshold (0.57 pounds*sec) recommended by Ashby (...heard of him?) for big game (cape buffalo etc.)....note that he refers those figures to the launch threshold, but even with 290 fps at 50 yds my arrow nearly reach this threshold for big game (which I don't hunt!).

 

[doc holiday13]

about 20ish years ago there was a article in our local paper about a deer with an arrow through its snout and it was making its way through neighborhoods.

 

[Dparenti547]

You eluded to shooting a BH with a wide cutting diameter. What broadheads do you shoot? You’re obviously telling me everything else about your setup.

 

[bigW]

You eluded to shooting a BH with a wide cutting diameter. What broadheads do you shoot? You’re obviously telling me everything else about your setup.

I guess the question was meant for me.... I shoot 100 grain Tri-Blades Deepower - excellent BH for little $$ ; however, after I wil finished with my testing I will very likely change to 100 grain SEVR TI 1.5" and SEVR TI 2.0" ...they are absolutely fantastic for a clinical shooter