Oregon hunting guide killed by accidental discharge

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hope it is good, old folks like me can't figure out how to look at that stuff.

 

[waspocrew]

This was an unfortunate hunting accident that never should have happened.

As pointed out by many, basic firearms safety absolutely would have prevented this from happening. When hunting with others, I don't chamber a round until I am ready to shoot an animal. There is no chance of a negligent discharge when the chamber is empty.

 

[wyosam]

Actually what was said was "Some very basic firearm safety absolutely prevents this from happening". Which is like saying if no one ever drank alcohol there would be no drunk drivers.
Yes if the reckless person was not reckless this probably would not have happened but that was not the point of what I said which was this can happen to anyone at anytime.

I think the idiotic point you are trying to make, is that not drinking and driving doesn’t keep you from getting killed by a drunk driver, so why bother. Basic firearm safety can’t keep you from getting shot. That is the point you are arguing, which is technically correct, but absolutely irrelevant. Basic firearms safety can’t keep you from being the guy who got shot, but it can absolutely keep you from being the guy who shot and killed his guide.


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[Ucsdryder]

This was an unfortunate hunting accident that never should have happened.

As pointed out by many, basic firearms safety absolutely would have prevented this from happening. When hunting with others, I don't chamber a round until I am ready to shoot an animal. There is no chance of a negligent discharge when the chamber is empty.

None of this is true.

 

[*zap*]

I think the idiotic point you are trying to make, is that not drinking and driving doesn’t keep you from getting killed by a drunk driver, so why bother. Basic firearm safety can’t keep you from getting shot. That is the point you are arguing, which is technically correct, but absolutely irrelevant. Basic firearms safety can’t keep you from being the guy who got shot, but it can absolutely keep you from being the guy who shot and killed his guide.

Being aware that this can happen anytime to anyone is not irrelevant. The only control a person has here is their actions and being aware. Your agreeing with me but you said I was wrong which seems idiotic to me..

 

[Rich M]

Terrible tragedy for all involved. So easy to loose sight of safety in excited times.

No it is not. No excuse for stuff like this. Excitement or not.

Based on the reading, seems like guys were not together and dude shot guide at distance? If they were together, no reason for this.

I was on a guided hunt last year and guide carried the gun. Gave it to me to shoot. Said it was for his peace of mind.

 

[Reburn]

Being aware that this can happen anytime to anyone is not irrelevant. The only control a person has here is their actions and being aware. Your agreeing with me but you said I was wrong which seems idiotic to me..

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[*zap*]

Lots of keyboard warriors on here this evening, shows lots about lack of character.
But I had that figured out before today.

 

[wyosam]

Being aware that this can happen anytime to anyone is not irrelevant. The only control a person has here is their actions and being aware. Your agreeing with me but you said I was wrong which seems idiotic to me..

I’m quite far from agreeing with you. Two separate things happened. A guy was shot by a hunter he was guiding. That most likely could have been prevented by the person who was shot if they were correcting bad behavior, as they should be as the person of authority in that setting. That is the side you are arguing. The part that everyone else is talking about, which is absolutely 100% preventable, 100% of the time, by basic gun safety practices, is that a man accidentally (or more accurately negligently) shot his guide and killed him. THAT is what everyone else is talking about, and you’re being arrogantly ignorant for reasons known only to you.


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[maxx075]

The fact of the matter is that things that have the ability to kill will kill. Humans aren't perfect and make mistakes, doesn't matter how careful you are. You can do all you can to stack the deck in your favor, but someone will always get the short end of the stick at some point. Unless you want to live in a literal bubble and never leave your house, you're exposed to the risk of death everywhere, by your own hand or someone else's.

 

[*zap*]

I’m quite far from agreeing with you. Two separate things happened. A guy was shot by a hunter he was guiding. That most likely could have been prevented by the person who was shot if they were correcting bad behavior, as they should be as the person of authority in that setting. That is the side you are arguing. The part that everyone else is talking about, which is absolutely 100% preventable, 100% of the time, by basic gun safety practices, is that a man accidentally (or more accurately negligently) shot his guide and killed him. THAT is what everyone else is talking about, and you’re being arrogantly ignorant for reasons known only to you.

I am not ignorant of anything, Obviously this is a tragic event that could have been prevented. But when you are around others who possess firearms and have the intent to discharge those firearms anything can happen. That is the simple truth I said and was jumped on for saying. I am not tolerating that. Period.

I appreciate your opinions...except the arrogant part.

 

[wyosam]

Lots of keyboard warriors on here this evening, shows lots about lack of character.
But I had that figured out before today.

Did anyone but you talk about how armed they are at all times? I’m guessing you’re justifying in your own mind one or more ND’s in your past as things that just happen.


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[*zap*]

Did anyone but you talk about how armed they are at all times? I’m guessing you’re justifying in your own mind one or more ND’s in your past as things that just happen.

I never had a nd but I have been shot twice and seen someone absorb a nd.
As far as being armed I said that because I disagree with always carrying an unloaded firearm so to me that is not a actual safety rule. Should everyone always carry a firearm with an unloaded chamber=no.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

It's not that complicated fellas...you're both correct, just in different ways.

Very tragic and it can happen anytime to anyone.

True, being killed by someone else due to an ND is a thing that is possible.

Actually no. Some very basic firearm safety absolutely prevents this from happening.

Also true...in a perfect world. But 100% of people don't follow every firearm safety principle 100% of the time. Therefore, in the real world...

Very tragic and it can happen anytime to anyone.

If anyone with a reasonable amount of experience around firearms claims to have never violated a single firearm safety principle...they're lying.

 

[wyosam]

I am not ignorant of anything, Obviously this is a tragic event that could have been prevented. But when you are around others who possess firearms and have the intent to discharge those firearms anything can happen. That is the simple truth I said and was jumped on for saying. I am not tolerating that. Period.

I appreciate your opinions...except the arrogant part.

Well, I suppose you have every right to “not tolerate” that, whatever that means. Just as everyone else has a right to call you out on what seems to be widely received as an incorrect statement. (Ok, dump the sand out of your panties- a technically “correct” statement based on the fact that 100% of ND related injuries can’t be prevented BY THE VICTIM through basic firearm safety, though of course they can be prevented entirely by the person on the other side).

I will add that I agree that carrying with an empty chamber is not a hard and fast requirement to safe firearm handling. A sidearm carried for protection (from whatever) is an obvious one, in many situations a chambered round while hunting is entirely reasonable as well.


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[EastHumboldt]

I am not arguing. Simply explaining why I am correct.

Oh man….!! I’m gonna save that one up for my next argument (explaining session) It’s exactly like “I’m sorry ma’am, I don’t make the rules. I just think em up and write em down.”

 

[wyosam]

It's not that complicated fellas...you're both correct, just in different ways.



True, being killed by someone else due to an ND from someone else is a thing that is possible.



Also true...in a perfect world. But 100% of people don't follow every firearm safety principle 100% of the time. Therefore, in the real world...



If anyone with a reasonable amount of experience around firearms claims to have never violated a single firearm safety principle...they're lying.

Depends on which thing you’re saying is 100% avoidable. Being shot by an ND, is not 100% avoidable. What happened to the guide is one thing. SHOOTING someone by ND, is 100% avoidable. What happened with the client (killing a man by accident) WAS 100 percent avoidable.


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[*zap*]

Well, I suppose you have every right to “not tolerate” that, whatever that means. Just as everyone else has a right to call you out on what seems to be widely received as an incorrect statement.

Whoever thinks what is said is an incorrect statement is incorrect...and I am not tolerating disrespectful behavior, peroid. Not much I can do about it in this situation but I can speak my mind.
Widely recieved.....

 

[PVHunter]

And people wonder why I hunt and spearfish alone: you decline certain risks in exchange for others. What a tragedy. Heartfelt condolences to all those who have been directly affected by this incident.

 

[Marble]

When I set up the triggers on my rifles I make sure I check them by dropping the butt of the rifle directly onto a hard surface from at least 1-2 feet with the safety off. Are you saying a bunch of guys are running around with rifles that are so unsafe that they'll fire from falling over? Ignoring the fact that in that scenario the chamber should be empty and/or the safety should be engaged anyway.

I do the same thing.. I actually take it a step further and remove the gun from the stock. I wack it all over with rubber mallet and put it back in the stock and drop it like you do.

I had a friend that hunted with a gun that had a trigger so light he was afraid to carry it with round in the chamber. I just shook my head at him and told him he should fix it.

I think the lightest trigger in my hunting rifles is 2lbs. That to me is so light. 3 lbs feels pretty good as long as there isn't any creep.

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