Idaho NR Draw Bill… thoughts?

[87TT]

How about we make ALL NR tags a OIL draw.

 

[Chad E]

As a guy who frequently tries to get a tag in Idaho I think there are some improvements needed to fix the current system. But count me in the camp thinking a draw will turn out to be a bummer in the long run.

If Idaho just fixed the loopholes, allowed for two tags to be purchased allowing you to go with a buddy and made all sales online and required you to login first the current system has a lot of upsides.

Unless they go to a really new style of draw I think a draw turns out to have really increased levels of demand as tons of guys just shoot for top tags. The current system let's you adjust on the fly. Sure we hope for low number and a top tier tag but my list of tags I'd take is long.

They will eventually try to fix the issues and complaints with a draw by instituting points ...and the associated revenue potential will make it seem like a good idea.....and that will be sad day.

 

[ladogg411]

Every draw we currently do considers everyone's 1st choice and then move on to everyone's 2nd choice if any tags remain. No reason to think the proposed NR general draw would be any different.

Correct, that is how it is done today in Idaho. But there is a very easy way to fix the conundrum that was presented above. Where the Dec. 1st "human pawn" in the current quasi-draw can go through his choices #1 through X in real-time during the day long mess. And he will lose that progression of choices in a true draw (Idaho model).

And that solution is, move to the model of many other states (e.g., NV), where the applicant provides choice #1-5 and each of his choices is reviewed before moving on to the next applicant in draw order.

 

[Customweld]

Yes...because nothings says "freedom" better than being told by the government that you have to do it a certain way.

Also, legislation is very difficult and time consuming to reverse. If this idea was adopted by the fish and game commission WITHOUT it going to legislation, then a quick reversal (were it to not pan out as well as hoped) would be relatively easy.

I watched the Jan.25th commissioners meeting. It sounded like the commissioners were happy and were not looking for a change. This is all on one legislator.

 

[TheCougar]

I'm a res of Idaho, but thinking like a non res here:

If I don't draw a tag in a fair & square draw, I'm only upset about my luck

If I don't draw in Idaho's Dec-1-cluster and lose hours of my life (business hours btw) and then don't draw, I"m extra mad!!!!

Plus with the current system, families/buddies can't plan on hunting together. If this is like our controlled hunt draw, I believe up to 4 can apply together.

Anything's gotta be better than what we're doing

Agreed… as long as it stays random. They odds suck, but at least there’s a chance for my son and I every year. A lot of states are just a waste of time and money to apply any more.

 

[87TT]

I watched the Jan.25th commissioners meeting. It sounded like the commissioners were happy and were not looking for a change. This is all on one legislator.

Agreed and why would they want to change it, when the tags all get sold.

 

[Wrench]

Kinda like a resident putting into a controlled hunt for 30 years and not drawing.

I've been trying since 1993 to draw a Washington bull tag.....nada. every bull I've killed is otc.

 

[realunlucky]

Correct, that is how it is done today in Idaho. But there is a very easy way to fix the conundrum that was presented above. Where the Dec. 1st "human pawn" in the current quasi-draw can go through his choices #1 through X in real-time during the day long mess. And he will lose that progression of choices in a true draw (Idaho model).

And that solution is, move to the model of many other states (e.g., NV), where the applicant provides choice #1-5 and each of his choices is reviewed before moving on to the next applicant in draw order.

Just my opinion but NV system is actually the worst to try and draw a good tag.
Why?-- Well every single person shoots for the stars with the first one or two then throws a couple at the good units finally listing a unit they'd be happy to hunt.

If you like that system please use less than 5 choices

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[Timberline001]

I don’t think people realize how bad the draw odds will be when you can just simply apply for it. I’m a resident but I’ve had buddy’s get tags every year to come hunt in Idaho. They’ve put in the work to get tags and have gotten to hunt every time. I have a feeling that won’t be the case if a draw gets implemented. There will be way more people participating if it’s just a simple draw and guys won’t be able to hunt every year. I feel like alot of the complaining comes from people who only want one or two certain units.

 

[fatlander]

I don’t think people realize how bad the draw odds will be when you can just simply apply for it. I’m a resident but I’ve had buddy’s get tags every year to come hunt in Idaho. They’ve put in the work to get tags and have gotten to hunt every time. I have a feeling that won’t be the case if a draw gets implemented. There will be way more people participating if it’s just a simple draw and guys won’t be able to hunt every year. I feel like alot of the complaining comes from people who only want one or two certain units.

How is charging $150+ to put your name in the hat going to make worse odds than Joe Shmoe logging on with 5 devices for free?


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[Timberline001]

How is charging $150+ to put your name in the hat going to make worse odds than Joe Shmoe logging on with 5 devices for free?


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You answered your own question. Right now there’s ways to make sure you get a tag. Like I said, we’ve had no issues whatsoever getting a tag every year.

 

[fatlander]

You answered your own question. Right now there’s ways to make sure you get a tag. Like I said, we’ve had no issues whatsoever getting a tag every year.

So increasing the barrier to entry will decrease the odds of securing a tag.

It’s already a draw; it’s just the worst possible draw. . . Multiple spots in line for the same person, in person purchases, proxy purchases in person but not online, and it’s free to enter.

Do you think casinos would be more or less crowded if there was a cover charge?


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[Timberline001]

So increasing the barrier to entry will decrease the odds of securing a tag.

It’s already a draw; it’s just the worst possible draw. . . Multiple spots in line for the same person, in person purchases, proxy purchases in person but not online, and it’s free to enter.

Do you think casinos would be more or less crowded if there was a cover charge?


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Right now it’s OTC. Not a draw.

 

[Customweld]

Here is the breakdown of transactions from the commission’s meeting on January 25th

 

[N8H]

Right now it’s OTC. Not a draw.

If you're online, you're randomly assigned a number. So even though it's called "over the counter", it's basically a draw is with general concensus among most people who have to go through it. Its kind of a weird mix in my opinion.

 

[Timberline001]

So increasing the barrier to entry will decrease the odds of securing a tag.

It’s already a draw; it’s just the worst possible draw. . . Multiple spots in line for the same person, in person purchases, proxy purchases in person but not online, and it’s free to enter.

Do you think casinos would be more or less crowded if there was a cover charge?


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It’s not a casino. It’s a hunt and hunters will just add it to their list and apply if it’s that easy. Right now it’s a OTC system and you can make it work to your advantage if you put in the work. It’s fun and I look forward to it each year. If they change it to just an another simple draw I guarantee a lot more people will apply than are currently getting tags.

 

[Timberline001]

If you're online, you're randomly assigned a number. So even though it's called "over the counter", it's basically a draw is with general concensus among most people who have to go through it. It’s kind of a weird mix in my opinion.

For sure. Letting people in line buy as many tags as they want for other people is the biggest issue I think. If they changed it to only being able to buy tags for immediate family that’d help.

 

[N8H]

For sure. Letting people in line buy as many tags as they want for other people is the biggest issue I think. If they changed it to only being able to buy tags for immediate family that’d help.

Agreed. I think they're hoping to limit it to 4 transactions per person (for in person transaction), but it makes it tricky when they can't tell walmart or other 3rd party vendors that they ha e to limit what their customers can buy...curious to see what they do about it.

 

[Timberline001]

Agreed. I think they're hoping to limit it to 4 transactions per person (for in person transaction), but it makes it tricky when they can't tell walmart or other 3rd party vendors that they ha e to limit what their customers can buy...curious to see what they do about it.

I think more vendors just will refuse to sell on the 1st. There was a couple vendors last year that said they weren’t participating because it was so wild in 22.

 

[87TT]

All these internet opinions and predictions rarely come true. They said no one would buy the tags when they raised the price but look at the demand now. As long as demand outstrips the supply, it will be a mess. I don't see the upside for IDFG to change it or try to make everyone happy. Haters going to hate and whiners going to whine.