Idaho Bonus point system

[IdahoBeav]

I think in this case it had more to do with Idaho setting unit quotas for NR. NR could buy a tag and hunt any unit prior to that change. NR tags always went on sale on Dec 1, but the rush to buy came about because NR wanted to make sure they got one of the limited number of tags for the specific unit they wanted to hunt.

Oh, I'm well aware. I was hunting with NR friends and family years before that change. It was awesome to be able to pick up tags or even 2nds during season. I hate that change, and as far as I can tell, it was only done to appease the loud residents that blame everything on NRs. Nonetheless, even if they weren't unit specific, the deer tags would still have sold out first day the last couple years.

The widespread publicizing and glorifying of western hunting is what is causing the demand.

 

[WRO]

What if when you logged in you were able to add up to three additional members but they would have to get the same hunt. That would allow people to hunt together. If you were lucky and got a low number that’s the same as a draw without having extra expense or complication.
I just hate to see the further bastardization of a system.
I wish it would’ve gone back to what it was five years ago. There wasn’t as much demand when it was something that people could buy any day of the year and just hunt. Nonresidents weren’t the problem People like to make it out to be. Resident hunters are lazy. This is true in every state. The people that are willing to throw down the money for NR tags spend the vacation and travel expense always try harder. Residents see their success and blame nr for their own short comings.

It’s the same problem with the sawtooth elk zone. As soon as they made it capped people thought it was better than it actually was.

artificial demand creates a hysteria and people who would normally sit on the sidelines now have to be active participants. Making a draw is only gonna bring more people into the system and tags harder to get adding points exacerbates it worse. Then you can't afford to sit out a year. Anyone remotely interested is in every year.

I agree with you 100% on lazy residents, it’s true in every state.

If you could add three, it could help but everything seems to be going quick from people who are showing up to purchase in person/have a buddy do it/ etc. Every other state requires you to buy a license first and to apply for even general tags for the most part.

I can’t think of any NR’s/residents I know that think the Idaho current dumpster fire for non resident tags is working/fair etc.

Sawtooth should be a draw hunt, it’s as bad as the NR tag system. I don’t chase it, but watching the dumpster fire every year signifies there’s got to be a better way, more capped zones are trending that way as well. Instead of a draw “lottery” you have a computer “lottery” or counter “lottery” tags.

The sentiment is pretty anti draw, point or no point system, yet the systems in place are poorly designed/thought through for execution with the current ever increasing demand.

 

[WRO]

If they got rid of proxy sales Idaho would honestly have the most fair and best system in the west. Going to a draw is the opposite of a solution, its adding another problem.

So you think the current capped/NR allocation system works well?

 

[deadwolf]

Can we just go back to when I could show up in Idaho in October and buy an OTC deer tag in the sporting goods store?


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[Customweld]

Sawtooth should be a draw hunt, it’s as bad as the NR tag system. I don’t chase it, but watching the dumpster fire every year signifies there’s got to be a better way, more capped zones are trending that way as well. Instead of a draw “lottery” you have a computer “lottery” or counter “lottery” tags.

I like the way the quota systems work now. If you want a quota tag, you have to debate whether you want to put in for a controlled hunt. If I was going to change anything, I'd give residents of the counties that quota zones are in a certain percentage right off the top.

 

[WRO]

I like the way the quota systems work now. If you want a quota tag, you have to debate whether you want to put in for a controlled hunt. If I was going to change anything, I'd give residents of the counties that quota zones are in a certain percentage right off the top.

The only change it would make taking those to draw is taking applicants out of the OIL draw pool.

 

[Customweld]

The only change it would make taking those to draw is taking applicants out of the OIL draw pool.

If you apply for a controlled elk tag, you have to wait 5 days to buy one after the capped tags go on sale. I know guys that won't put in for draws because they know that their capped elk tag may sale out before that 5 days is up.

 

[WRO]

If you apply for a controlled elk tag, you have to wait 5 days to buy one after the capped tags go on sale. I know guys that won't put in for draws because they know that their capped elk tag may sale out before that 5 days is up.

If you made the capped zones like sawtooth a draw, the only significant change is that they couldn’t apply for an OIL tag because they’d forced into the dea draw, depending on the zone a waiting period.

I fully understand how the capped tag system works, I’ve filled a few of them since I moved here.

 

[Raghornklr]

So you think the current capped/NR allocation system works well?

For those willing to put in the effort yes. Like mentioned before was less demand up until they switched to unit specific tags. If they took away proxy buying it would be awesome.
You want to hunt as a group? Make a trip as a group and get your tags together.

Get rid of the online bs through the third party. Buy an over the counter tag over the counter.

Take out the people who just log in to see and plug things up. Reward those who will put in the effort instead of wanting things handed to them with a click on the computer.

 

[Raghornklr]

The only change it would make taking those to draw is taking applicants out of the OIL draw pool.

They should sell sawtooth tags with the rest of the capped units.

 

[WRO]

For those willing to put in the effort yes. Like mentioned before was less demand up until they switched to unit specific tags. If they took away proxy buying it would be awesome.
You want to hunt as a group? Make a trip as a group and get your tags together.

Get rid of the online bs through the third party. Buy an over the counter tag over the counter.

Take out the people who just log in to see and plug things up. Reward those who will put in the effort instead of wanting things handed to them with a click on the computer.

So you’re advocating for sleeping at retailers or some other stupid shit?

I have buddies who drove over spent the night, and by the time the 2 idiots in front of them finished, there wasn’t anything they came for left.

I’m not going to expect my East coast buddies that I wt hunt with to fly out, miss 3 days of work, for a marginal chance to get an otc tag.

They were in line 45 minutes early, I’m not what effort they didn’t put in by your metrics.

It’s just getting worse every year too..

 

[Customweld]

“We just moved to Idaho, we love it here! We wouldn’t change a thing”!

Ten minutes after being Idaho residents:

“You know, we really don’t like how things are done here, we should change it to how it is where we moved from”

 

[Idahohillboy]

Wyoming basically does that with the "Special" draw. It doesn't seem to reduce demand. And even if it did, it would push more applicants tot he remaining controlled hunt units and drive down drawing odds there. Increased wait times could give drawing odds a bump but it's hard to say how much. In a hunt with 20% drawing odds a three year wait time could theoretically increase the drawing odds by up to 13% (Just eliminate two years of successful applicants or 40% of applicants and check the odds again). In a hunt with 10% drawing odds it would only increase drawing odds by 3%. Is that enough to matter? I'm a firm maybe.

What baffles me is the amount of hunters who draw a controlled hunt tag and then don't even go on the hunt. It would be nearly impossible to enforce any kind of penalty on those tag wasters because they could just go online on their hunter report and say they hunted to avoid the penalty.

Copy your right so many of my fellow Idaho residents draw n hunt 1-2 days or not at all. If your gonna draw a tag you should at least be tequired to log two days in the field. And correct Wyo does have that but it is unit wide state wide…. But just sayin maybe save the serious hunts for the serious hunters not someones fat sister in law…. Lol

Anything to get me a f’n deer tag been putting in my entire life to eat shit sandwhiches. I would not whine if the otc was not a zoo these days and a two point slaughter lol.

 

[Idahohillboy]

Let me throw this out there should a group of 5 be allowed to draw a 10 tag season like 54 archery Bull???

The answer is no if the hunt has less than 20 tags no group apps....

 

[Idahohillboy]

What if when you logged in you were able to add up to three additional members but they would have to get the same hunt. That would allow people to hunt together. If you were lucky and got a low number that’s the same as a draw without having extra expense or complication.
I just hate to see the further bastardization of a system.
I wish it would’ve gone back to what it was five years ago. There wasn’t as much demand when it was something that people could buy any day of the year and just hunt. Nonresidents weren’t the problem People like to make it out to be. Resident hunters are lazy. This is true in every state. The people that are willing to throw down the money for NR tags spend the vacation and travel expense always try harder. Residents see their success and blame nr for their own short comings.

It’s the same problem with the sawtooth elk zone. As soon as they made it capped people thought it was better than it actually was.

artificial demand creates a hysteria and people who would normally sit on the sidelines now have to be active participants. Making a draw is only gonna bring more people into the system and tags harder to get adding points exacerbates it worse. Then you can't afford to sit out a year. Anyone remotely interested is in every year.

This one is pretty spot on right here. The issue is the F&G across the west is advertising to attract hunters. As well the current new system is screwed for my non res buds who made a tradition out of an Idaho hunt year after year. Never used to sell out I could buy a second deer tag end of September 5 years ago. Fish and Game needs to stick to management and stop advertising not just in Idaho either lol. My email is chalk full of solicitations from F&G's across the west.

Then you add a buncha magazines and social media to the fire and poof haha. Idaho need to adjust the draw but keep it random and keep OTC. We do not want things taken away.

 

[Raghornklr]

So you’re advocating for sleeping at retailers or some other stupid shit?

I have buddies who drove over spent the night, and by the time the 2 idiots in front of them finished, there wasn’t anything they came for left.

I’m not going to expect my East coast buddies that I wt hunt with to fly out, miss 3 days of work, for a marginal chance to get an otc tag.

They were in line 45 minutes early, I’m not what effort they didn’t put in by your metrics.

It’s just getting worse every year too..

Bet if they didn't have to compete with online sales they could have went in and bought what they wanted.
Think it through. I'm guessing you didn't follow what I wrote.
My solution is exactly for people who will do that.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I don't agree that this is the case. IDFG has made, and is actively making more, changes as a result of the whining masses.

Yep! That’s why it terrifying, although currently minority opinions, that there a lot of new residents who want to hunt elk/deer every 3 years under the guise that there will be less people in the woods and better hunting for mature animals. I’ve heard this enough times that concern me of a novel mind virus that should be eliminated.

These people will use every last piece of technology and think that owes them success, eat tag soup, then complain the hunting sucks because the other guy they saw ruined their hunt so we should all sacrifice OTC.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

How much of this is caused by IG posts of huge Idaho bucks, magazine covers, podcasts, etc.?

Careful, you won’t get objective opinions from influencers.

And to answer your question that you weren’t asking me, of course it is!! To say otherwise is saying marketing doesn’t work, which is hilarious.

 

[WRO]

Bet if they didn't have to compete with online sales they could have went in and bought what they wanted.
Think it through. I'm guessing you didn't follow what I wrote.
My solution is exactly for people who will do that.

They would all still be gone in short order.

It’s a supply and demand issue, there’s more hunters than tags.

 

[Raghornklr]

With just in person sales I'd be willing to bet they'd last weeks, days at a minimum.