I gots the Covid.

[Vandy321]

You've subsequently implied you don't trust the CDC, but you asked for a documented case from the CDC. Here's an (admittedly small) example of possible reinfection - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008a3.htm. Five of 12 patients in a skilled nursing facility appear to have been infected with Covid twice. Note, the report itself says that reinfection (at least at the time of the report) "is believed to be rare." It's possible those are five false positives, but I suspect the chances of that are pretty small.

You seemed to be arguing against reinfection. @Crghss gave you an example of reinfection. I don't see anything in his post that says you should get vaccinated.

With respect to this "is reinfection real or fake" tangent there are those of us who think reinfection is real - based on things we have posted here. We could be wrong and brainwashed.

I'm willing to concede I could be wrong (especially since it happens to me all of the time). Are you?

Are you willing to concede you've potentially been lied to from the start and the numbers/data have all been massaged to create a panic, support the narrative?

No I do not for one minute trust the talking heads at the CDC, the only reason I referenced them is the pro mandate crowd seems to take whatever Fauci and the CDC can burp up as gospel.

Bottom line, I stand for freedom of choice. Believe what you want, post what you want. But i don't for a second think it's any individual or organizations right to force a vaccine on anyone, period.

 

[fwafwow]

Are you willing to concede you've potentially been lied to from the start and the numbers/data have all been massaged to create a panic, support the narrative?

Yes, it's possible. (My only caveat - since I don't know how broadly to interpret "from the start" or "the narrative" - I've personally had Covid, so I know that at least some of what I'm told is true - it does exist.)

No I do not for one minute trust the talking heads at the CDC, the only reason I referenced them is the pro mandate crowd seems to take whatever the burp up as gospel.

I don't believe the government automatically either. That's one reason I referenced a study out of Israel, and a report from the CDC - that was from the KY Dept. of Health. And @Broomd pointed to people he knows who have tested positive twice. And so do I. Perhaps they (and we) are all lying? Maybe, but it seems unlikely. Perhaps I'm just too naive.

You still didn't answer my question. Is it possible, notwithstanding prior and/or current misinformation (I hate that word) and lies, and the existence of false positive test results, that reinfection can occur?

 

[Vandy321]

You still didn't answer my question. Is it possible, notwithstanding prior and/or current misinformation (I hate that word) and lies, and the existence of false positive test results, that reinfection can occur?

Don't know. The answer is, it depends entirely upon what "expert" you get your information from.

This is far too political now to trust anything from either side and I find it very hard to beleive there are any impartial actors left, neither in the US, nor Isreal, nor at the WHO, etc etc.

 

[Tbonespop]

My wife and I personally know about 8-10 people who have had covid at least twice. One couple--three times!
These WERE CONFIRMED WITH TESTS.

CDC has gotten high on their own supply.

You do understand that the PCR tests (nasal swabs) do not discern between viable and non-viable counts of Covid, right? It is very possible to have some other form of a cold and still test positive for Covid even though it is dead virus, since the test can't tell the difference between living and dead. It is also possible that just like when someone builds immunity via a vaccine, natural immunity works in the same way. Having Covid and getting over it doesn't put a magical force field around the person. A person can still get exposed to Covid and then the antibodies fight off the infection for easy recovery, yet at the same time come down with another common cold. This would result in a positive Covid test but could be a normal flu. The dead Covid show up as positive on a PCR test. There are many ways that the tests you are referring to can convolute the real test results.

We run CDC approved PCR tests all the time for other pathogens, then we have to follow up with additional tests that can discern between viable and non-viable. This is because if the customer does get a positive hit on the PCR, they immediately want to know if its viable and non-viable.

Notice that there is no second test being performed to determine Covid viability? That's not the way we do things in the industrial applications - we do double tests: CDC approved and a viable/nonviable test. But we're legitimate scientists and do this for a living. We're not propagandists.

 

[fwafwow]

You do understand that the PCR tests (nasal swabs) do not discern between viable and non-viable counts of Covid, right? It is very possible to have some other form of a cold and still test positive for Covid even though it is dead virus, since the test can't tell the difference between living and dead. It is also possible that just like when someone builds immunity via a vaccine, natural immunity works in the same way. Having Covid and getting over it doesn't put a magical force field around the person. A person can still get exposed to Covid and then the antibodies fight off the infection for easy recovery, yet at the same time come down with another common cold. This would result in a positive Covid test but could be a normal flu. The dead Covid show up as positive on a PCR test. There are many ways that the tests you are referring to can convolute the real test results.

We run CDC approved PCR tests all the time for other pathogens, then we have to follow up with additional tests that can discern between viable and non-viable. This is because if the customer does get a positive hit on the PCR, they immediately want to know if its viable and non-viable.

Notice that there is no second test being performed to determine Covid viability? That's not the way we do things in the industrial applications - we do double tests: CDC approved and a viable/nonviable test. But we're legitimate scientists and do this for a living. We're not propagandists.

It sounds like you have experience in this area, so it helps for you to weigh in. I think that some medical tests are imperfect. I would expect though that sometimes the tests are a first line in a series of things to test to diagnose. Like the PSA test - it doesn't alone tell you if you have prostate cancer, but the results can suggest more inquiry.

If @Broomd knows 8-10 people who have tested positive twice, I think everyone acknowledges that some (perhaps all?) of those could be false positives (or, if more accurate, positives without viable Covid). But does that mean that the tests are meaningless? Serious question.

I think you are saying that the first positive test could be improved with another test, but perhaps that's not feasible. I don't know what it's like to get tested where you or others live, but it's not easy at the moment around me. If there was a follow-up test to get better info, it might be even harder. Admittedly, the decision on the type of test to use was probably made by people when there were no such logistical problems, with a variety of considerations (some of which could have been noble, and others not).

Another serious question - is the viability test something that we can get on our own? If so, I for one would appreciate the knowledge. My daughter just tested negative with an at home rapid test, and we still sent her for a in-person PCR. If she's positive, I'd be more than happy to get her another test. Dads and their daughters!

 

[Tbonespop]

It sounds like you have experience in this area, so it helps for you to weigh in. I think that some medical tests are imperfect. I would expect though that sometimes the tests are a first line in a series of things to test to diagnose. Like the PSA test - it doesn't alone tell you if you have prostate cancer, but the results can suggest more inquiry.

If @Broomd knows 8-10 people who have tested positive twice, I think everyone acknowledges that some (perhaps all?) of those could be false positives (or, if more accurate, positives without viable Covid). But does that mean that the tests are meaningless? Serious question.

I think you are saying that the first positive test could be improved with another test, but perhaps that's not feasible. I don't know what it's like to get tested where you or others live, but it's not easy at the moment around me. If there was a follow-up test to get better info, it might be even harder. Admittedly, the decision on the type of test to use was probably made by people when there were no such logistical problems, with a variety of considerations (some of which could have been noble, and others not).

Another serious question - is the viability test something that we can get on our own? If so, I for one would appreciate the knowledge. My daughter just tested negative with an at home rapid test, and we still sent her for a in-person PCR. If she's positive, I'd be more than happy to get her another test. Dads and their daughters!

Covid Testing in our area is super easy and fast. I was tested at a customer site earlier this week. Super easy and available. I don't know of a specific Covid test that is "Accepted' by medical professionals that discerns between viable and non-viable. We run various microbiological tests for various pathogens, some of which are PCR tests (Legionella, Aspergillus, Bortytis, Pseudomonas, Lysteria, etc). The CDC standard test for Legionella is a PCR test, so we always use a follow up test at the same when testing thus we know viable or nonviable if there is a positive hit. For Covid, I definitely think having a second follow up test for viable versus nonviable is beneficial.

When I had Covid last year (prior to vaccines being available), I would have never in a million years thought I would have tested positive. The only thing that convinced me was some really weird back pain that our son and my wife also had when they had Covid. Covid for me was negligible fortunately, but I was on a proactive regimen of Quercetin, zinc, Vit D, Vit C, colloidal silver, and was doing nasal washes. I took this because others in the family tested positive before I caught it. Also of note, once one person tested positive, the rest of the family isolated in the house from each other and we all wore masks INSIDE our house in an effort to not spread it. Nothing prevented it from spreading and eventually everyone had it. Once its airborne, its inevitable anyone exposed will get it. The masks were useless.

 

[camping1601]

I know one thing. It they want more people to get the vax they have to change their approach. It's gotten to the point where there's as many watch for "Deep Veil Thrombosis" and "Atrial Fibrillation" commercials on the radio as there are get vaxed ones. All brought to you by Pfizer.

With this kind of confusion it seems an easy choice for many. The brought to you by Pfizer is the kicker here.

 

[jmez]

I had it last year. We took the opposite of the isolation approach. Figured we just as well all get it and be done with it. Was prior to vaccines being available.

I was the only one that had it. Wife and four boys never got it. Made zero effort to prevent transmission. My be wife got tested every other day during my quarantine for her work. All negative.

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[fwafwow]

I know one thing. It they want more people to get the vax they have to change their approach. It's gotten to the point where there's as many watch for "Deep Veil Thrombosis" and "Atrial Fibrillation" commercials on the radio as there are get vaxed ones. All brought to you by Pfizer.

With this kind of confusion it seems an easy choice for many. The brought to you by Pfizer is the kicker here.

Advertising prescription medications to patients is one of many problems with the pharmaceutical industry. It wasn’t always legal and shouldn’t be now.

 

[fwafwow]

Covid Testing in our area is super easy and fast. I was tested at a customer site earlier this week. Super easy and available. I don't know of a specific Covid test that is "Accepted' by medical professionals that discerns between viable and non-viable. We run various microbiological tests for various pathogens, some of which are PCR tests (Legionella, Aspergillus, Bortytis, Pseudomonas, Lysteria, etc). The CDC standard test for Legionella is a PCR test, so we always use a follow up test at the same when testing thus we know viable or nonviable if there is a positive hit. For Covid, I definitely think having a second follow up test for viable versus nonviable is beneficial.

When I had Covid last year (prior to vaccines being available), I would have never in a million years thought I would have tested positive. The only thing that convinced me was some really weird back pain that our son and my wife also had when they had Covid. Covid for me was negligible fortunately, but I was on a proactive regimen of Quercetin, zinc, Vit D, Vit C, colloidal silver, and was doing nasal washes. I took this because others in the family tested positive before I caught it. Also of note, once one person tested positive, the rest of the family isolated in the house from each other and we all wore masks INSIDE our house in an effort to not spread it. Nothing prevented it from spreading and eventually everyone had it. Once its airborne, its inevitable anyone exposed will get it. The masks were useless.

The testing is tough here. My daughter waited in line for an hour today - and she had an “appointment”. Yesterday she said the line of cars was almost a mile long. Pharmacies are booked for days and at home kits are not available in any stores, and hard to find online. The pharmacist told me “we don’t have any test kits sir!” before I even asked. He said “you’re about 4 days too late.”

 

[ODB]

Advertising prescription medications to patients is one of many problems with the pharmaceutical industry. It wasn’t always legal and shouldn’t be now.

When i worked in the hospital I used to see the very cute drug reps bringing in lunch for everyone.

It was like a Scentsy party...

 

[UpNorth89]

First off I never suggested rejecting treatment for anyone. I suggested if you make a choice to not get vaccine and go to ER or ICU with Covid that person who was injured in car accident or tornado should get put to the head of the line. Its called triage. Or at least should be.

The point of my OP was our ER and ICU are going to fill up AGAIN with Covid patients. This will negatively impact peoples care who didn’t have a choice whether they get in a car accident, tornado hits or what ever ailment hits them.

So by your logic if someone gets in a car accident and wasn't wearing their seat belt they should get put to the back of the line? If you decide to live in a common tornado area you should be sent to the back of the line versus someone that decided to live in a non tornado area?

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[Crghss]

So by your logic if someone gets in a car accident and wasn't wearing their seat belt they should get put to the back of the line? If you decide to live in a common tornado area you should be sent to the back of the line versus someone that decided to live in a non tornado area?

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If you live in a tornado area how would you have someone next to you in the ER that doesn’t live in a tornado Area?

 

[UpNorth89]

If you live in a tornado area how would you have someone next to you in the ER that doesn’t live in the tornado?

Helicopters take people well over 100 miles all the time to different hospitals with availability or the proper services so this is quite possible, but obviously you missed my point.

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[Crghss]

Helicopters take people well over 100 miles all the time to different hospitals with availability or the proper services so this is quite possible, but obviously you missed my point.

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If millions of people decided not to wear seatbelts. Then 10K‘s accidents happened. From those accidents thousands of people show up in ER overwhelming ER and ICU. Yes, then we‘d need to consider it.

But seatbelts where not legally mandated at one point in time. We realized that wearing seat belts made people safer and saved lives? So we made it illegal to drive without seat belts? Now everyone (Almost everyone) wears there seatbelts

Sound familiar?

 

[UpNorth89]

Actually seatbelts where not legally mandated at one point in time. We realized that wearing seat belts made people safer and saved lives? So we made it illegal to drive without seat belts?

Sound familiar?

Are people required to submit their seat belt status upon admittance to a hospital? How about whenever someone gets to a hospital they submit their fitbit data and vaccination record so they get placed at the proper place in line?

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[Crghss]

Are people required to submit their seat belt status upon admittance to a hospital? How about whenever someone gets to a hospital they submit their fitbit data and vaccination record so they get placed at the proper place in line?

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Why would anyone need to submit their fitbit data or seat belt status? Are thousands of people that didn’t wear seatbelts filling up hospital beds? If so it didn’t make the news.

 

[Okhotnik]

If millions of people decided not to wear seatbelts. Then 10K‘s accidents happened. From those accidents thousands of people show up in ER overwhelming ER and ICU. Yes, then we‘d need to consider it.

But seatbelts where not legally mandated at one point in time. We realized that wearing seat belts made people safer and saved lives? So we made it illegal to drive without seat belts? Now everyone (Almost everyone) wears there seatbelts

Sound familiar?

How about everyone is required to submit everything they ingested into their bodies the past year, list those with AIDS, black folk with sickle cell anemia, drug users, list all poor black people and native Americans with diabetes, require to list every book they read and and require a list of everyone they talked to weed out the undesirables like they did in Communist China , Laos, Soviet Union, N Korea. And everyone who has natural immunity to the covid virus without an unproven vaccination, We could then deny them all healthcare and entrance to educational institutions, job opportunities , and travel outside their immediate area. Of course Govt Bureaucrats and those billionaires that donated to the progressive covtard party are exempt from these policies .

Sound reasonable to me as a covtard

oops that's what the anti science uneducated covtards are doing now in America.

 

[Crghss]

How about everyone is required to submit everything they ingested into their bodies the past year, list those with AIDS, black folk with sickle cell anemia, drug users, list all poor black people and native Americans with diabetes, require to list every book they read and and require a list of everyone they talked to weed out the undesirables like they did in Communist China , Laos, Soviet Union, N Korea. And everyone who has natural immunity to the covid virus without an unproven vaccination, We could then deny them all healthcare and entrance to educational institutions, job opportunities , and travel outside their immediate area. Of course Govt Bureaucrats and those billionaires that donated to the progressive covtard party are exempt from these policies .

Sound reasonable to me as a covtard

oops that's what the anti science uneducated covtards are doing now in America.

So you don’t want to wear a seatbelt?

 

[inyago]

You all trust the science eh, if they are so f--ken wonderful why are we in this mess..
And then the leader of the pack is your presidents covid advisor..
And in the mean time the scientist are making billions and everyone is supposed to be happy..
In the meantime you are still sending money to the wuhan institute so they can keep making pandemics..
Trust the science, yeah right..