I gots the Covid.

[fwafwow]

So google is the be all and end all of factual information now????
It is another fake propaganda organization..
Want something to support your argument google it, they are on both sides so long as it
turns people against each other..

I am not a fan of Google as a company either. Serious question - is there a search function or method you trust?

 

[MattB]

So google is the be all and end all of factual information now????
It is another fake propaganda organization..
Want something to support your argument google it, they are on both sides so long as it
turns people against each other..

I don’t know if you are aware (apparently not), but the reference to Google relates to it as a search engine. With that, the information searchable through Google isn’t put forth by Google. One can find actual medical studies and articles summarizing medical studies written by 3rd parties (like the one I posted that I found through Google).

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm not getting it because..

1. I've had covid.
2. I know 2 people who've had coincidental strokes within 18 hours of their shot.
3. I trust the medical community when it comes to this about as day old gas station sushi. Logic is dead in this discussion.

Good points WRO...I can play this too....sadly.
1. I've had covid too...wife and I had it over Thanksgiving...cough was the worst symptom.
2. Had 2 good friends die EXACTLY one week after getting their 2nd shots last March...two weeks apart...wedged in there was a good friend that had a stroke right after his 2nd shot. Both friends in great shape and 50 years old died of massive blood clots to the heart! Stroke victim was 35! We all worked together...tragic!
3. I trust it even less....no logic whatsoever.

 

[ODB]

Good points WRO...I can play this too....sadly.
1. I've had covid too...wife and I had it over Thanksgiving...cough was the worst symptom.
2. Had 2 good friends die EXACTLY one week after getting their 2nd shots last March...two weeks apart...wedged in there was a good friend that had a stroke right after his 2nd shot. Both friends in great shape and 50 years old died of massive blood clots to the heart! Stroke victim was 35! We all worked together...tragic!
3. I trust it even less....no logic whatsoever.

It is weird stuff. A friend of a friend in Botswana died 20 days after his second shot.

 

[fwafwow]

Easy way to avoid this is simply speak with your doctor, and if unsure then get a 2nd opinion. Pretty standard approach.

Great advice - I follow it as a general rule. But doctors have been wrong before, even on a consensus basis in which a second opinion may not matter.

 

[menhaden_man]

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[cod007]

You may want to expand your universe of news sources because I read articles on the fentanyl issue on a weekly basis.

Expand my universe genius, and explain to us why they are letting millions of illegals into our country with no worries about them spreading the deadly Covid and killing fellow Americans they pretend to care so much about.

 

[ddd-shooter]

Some who have refused the COVID vax have contrived a straw man argument to justify their decision by comparing themselves to those who have become fat and developed heart disease. Clever tactic…

The primary differentiator: it isn’t people with heart disease who are causing health care to be rationed.

That's because their impact on the system has been built in to the system over decades.
However, if you snapped your finger and wiped out obesity, heart disease and all the related medical issues; you'd definitely notice it in the medical field. I'm not saying it would ever get there, but to act like that's no big impact on the medical field is pure illusion.
We also could've had two years of the govt reminding us and reinforcing the priority of healthy living, but alas all we got was "two weeks to slow the spread" "stay inside and stay safe"... It's a dangerous world out there...

 

[MattB]

That's because their impact on the system has been built in to the system over decades.
However, if you snapped your finger and wiped out obesity, heart disease and all the related medical issues; you'd definitely notice it in the medical field. I'm not saying it would ever get there, but to act like that's no big impact on the medical field is pure illusion.
We also could've had two years of the govt reminding us and reinforcing the priority of healthy living, but alas all we got was "two weeks to slow the spread" "stay inside and stay safe"... It's a dangerous world out there...

I don’t disagree, but I think your post misses the point. When was the last time our healthcare system was forced to ration care because of a spike in heart disease hospitalizations? I don’t recall one, but that has happened and is likely to happen again in the very near future due to the lack of COVID vaccination.

 

[MattB]

Expand my universe genius, and explain to us why they are letting millions of illegals into our country with no worries about them spreading the deadly Covid and killing fellow Americans they pretend to care so much about.

Haha, why would our government care about the vaccination status of illegals when almost 30% of US citizens (mostly those who are bringing up this angle) are already here and present the same risk? Illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket by comparison to the almost 100M unvaccinated Americans - some of whom are unwilling to protect themselves but are crying for the government to protect them.

 

[fwafwow]

I don’t disagree, but I think your post misses the point. When was the last time our healthcare system was forced to ration care because of a spike in heart disease hospitalizations? I don’t recall one, but that has happened and is likely to happen again in the very near future due to the lack of COVID vaccination.

What rate of vaccination do you think will prevent your prediction, and does it vary by age group?

Edit - the CDC (!) estimates that 72.7% of the total population has at least one vax dose, but perhaps more importantly for a concern about healthcare rationing, that those percentages increase to 82.9%, 84.9% and 95% (the cap) for ages 12 and over, 18 and over and 65 and over, respectively. (Corresponding fully vaccinated percentages are 61.7%, 70.9%, 72.6% and 87.5%.) It looks like those stubborn kids are comprising most of the holdouts.

 

[fwafwow]

Haha, why would our government care about the vaccination status of illegals when almost 30% of US citizens (mostly those who are bringing up this angle) are already here and present the same risk? Illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket by comparison to the almost 100M unvaccinated Americans - some of whom are unwilling to protect themselves but are crying for the government to protect them.

It might have gone out of favor in some circles, but I believe there is a difference in US citizens and those who are not. I think the former have some rights which the latter do not. Putting aside the differences in numbers in each category who are not vacccinated, and whether people should be admitted entry, it would seem intellectually consistent for the government to at least strongly encourage, if not mandate, that non-citizens be vaccinated if they want to enter here with the intention of remaining. Even if a mandate, they would still have a choice.

 

[MattB]

What rate of vaccination do you think will prevent your prediction, and does it vary by age group?

Edit - the CDC (!) estimates that 72.7% of the total population has at least one vax dose, but perhaps more importantly for a concern about healthcare rationing, that those percentages increase to 82.9%, 84.9% and 95% (the cap) for ages 12 and over, 18 and over and 65 and over, respectively. (Corresponding fully vaccinated percentages are 61.7%, 70.9%, 72.6% and 87.5%.) It looks like those stubborn kids are comprising most of the holdouts.

As you intimated, it is not about a % of the population but rather getting the vaccine into the arms of people in the more susceptible age groups. When you look at hospitalizations, people under 18 represent a tiny fraction of the total. It is predominantly the adult holdouts who are taking up beds. Those are predominantly the unvaccinated even though they are the minority.

Weekly number of COVID-19 hospitalizations by age U.S. 2020-2022 | Statista

The previous highest peak in the reported time interval of COVID-19 hospitalizations was the week ending January 9, 2021.

www.statista.com

 

[MattB]

It might have gone out of favor in some circles, but I believe there is a difference in US citizens and those who are not. I think the former have some rights which the latter do not. Putting aside the differences in numbers in each category who are not vacccinated, and whether people should be admitted entry, it would seem intellectually consistent for the government to at least strongly encourage, if not mandate, that non-citizens be vaccinated if they want to enter here with the intention of remaining. Even if a mandate, they would still have a choice.

Is this a discussion of COVID or legal status? Some are conflating the two in an attempt to take the crosshairs off themselves, but I think any reasonable and informed person should see right through that.

Is the COVID that illegals carry more transmissible or more deadly than that which is endemic to the US?

Are you more worried about the healthcare implications of 1M or 2M of them versus 100M of us?

Are you really that concerned about people coming from a country that is 56% fully vaccinated to one that is 62% fully vaccinated?

Just because someone posts something on the internet does not mean it is valid.

 

[cod007]

Is this a discussion of COVID or legal status? Some are conflating the two in an attempt to take the crosshairs off themselves, but I think any reasonable and informed person should see right through that.

ANSWER: This is a discussion that can all aspects of the covid that our govt wants its citizens to bow to all sorts of infringement on liberties based on this ‘deadly’ virus and anyone with an ounce of common sense would see that if the govt really believed they were looking after its citizens safety, they would IMMEDIATELY take the very easy, legal, and necessary step of closing off the border from those coming in from all parts of the world without hesitation.

Is the COVID that illegals carry more transmissible or more deadly than that which is endemic to the US?

ANSWER: According to our govt its so deadly we citizens have to wear masks, institute 6’ spacing, not comfort dying family members, work from home, lose jobs, take vax jabs, take booster jabs, carry vax cards and other mandates. Further, it’s not just covid we’re talking here. It’s the addition of other unknown diseases and the question of terrorists infiltrating. So again, it really shows that the govt doesn’t really care about your health. Never did. It’s about control. Surely u an see that, right?

Are you more worried about the healthcare implications of 1M or 2M of them versus 100M of us?

ANSWER: Once again, it’s tangible proof that govt ISN'T worried about anyone’s health. It’s about control and turning America into a third world existence.

Are you really that concerned about people coming from a country that is 56% fully vaccinated to one that is 62% fully vaccinated?

ANSWER: Govt doesn’t know where they come/came from. And they certainly don’t care. Proof is in their inaction.

Just because someone posts something on the internet does not mean it is valid.

 

[WRO]

Good points WRO...I can play this too....sadly.
1. I've had covid too...wife and I had it over Thanksgiving...cough was the worst symptom.
2. Had 2 good friends die EXACTLY one week after getting their 2nd shots last March...two weeks apart...wedged in there was a good friend that had a stroke right after his 2nd shot. Both friends in great shape and 50 years old died of massive blood clots to the heart! Stroke victim was 35! We all worked together...tragic!
3. I trust it even less....no logic whatsoever.

It's sad and alarming the cover up with side effects including death on this one.

On the Joe Rogan Podcast with Jimmy Dore, Jimmy mentioned his side effects and the back lash he got. (He's a leftist in case your wondering)..

It's no longer science and now it's a religion when it comes to vaccines..

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[danaholley16]

Had a good laugh at the morbid holiday press release the white house put out...

Press Briefing by White House COVID-19 Response Team and Public Health Officials | The White House

Via Teleconference 11:06 A.M. ESTMR. ZIENTS: Good morning. And thanks for joining us.Today, Dr. Walensky will give an overview of the state of

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[inyago]

Matt, do you mean to say search engines cannot manipulate what they host, like ff..
They can alter and change anything, including publishing content using others sites, to make it look legit..
We have been doing it for years,"its called info warfare" dont belive anything, verify all..

 

[4rcgoat]

Haha, why would our government care about the vaccination status of illegals when almost 30% of US citizens (mostly those who are bringing up this angle) are already here and present the same risk? Illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket by comparison to the almost 100M unvaccinated Americans - some of whom are unwilling to protect themselves but are crying for the government to protect them.

Illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket?!!!! You seriously dont have clue,wonder if your opinion would change if you lived near the border.

 

[5MilesBack]

Are you more worried about the healthcare implications of 1M or 2M of them versus 100M of us?

I'm worried (more like concerned) about the direction that this administration and the left is (and has been) taking the nation. Everything else is just a symptom of the real problem. A lot of folks get stuck or focused on single issues and completely miss the bigger and more important picture. But every single one of these other symptoms all continue to point to the bigger picture problem.

When an administration refuses to use logic and reason in even one of those issues, it immediately takes away their credibility in all issues.......just as their illogical immigration policies have done. Immigration itself isn't the problem.......it's just one of the symptoms of the problem. When you put all those symptoms together......they all add up to utter incompetence or willful negligence, or both. Regardless of the reasons, it all adds up to the nation's future as a whole, suffering the consequences.