Hunting "influencers" and game violations

[roosiebull]

Since it's illegal (in most states I think) to sell game parts/meat/gall bladders, etc. how about
not allowing videos of hunting requiring a game license to be monetized?
Not that posting videos of one's hunt or kills on youtube would be a violation but if you
have a channel and receive monetary gain from it then you can't post videos of the hunt.
I suspect many of the more popular youtube hunters spend many thousands of $$$ in application
fees, buyings points, etc (that are deductible for tax purposes) and further lessen the drawing
odds for Joe Schmoe.
That could also lessen ( maybe even eliminate? ) the temptation of breaking game laws in order to produce "content".

What would be the downsides of something on this order?

Crazy idea?

They would find ways around it and keep doing what they’re doing, there is no getting that genie back in the bottle.

Yes, it would benefit all of us who don’t make a living as an influencer, but I think we’re way past the point of no return and those of us who would like to see it all go away are the minority.

Get rid of onX too, I use it a lot, but things were much better before it, I would happily give it up for the greater good

 

[Chris in TN]

I pretty much hate the entire advertising industry. I won't say hunting industry. I'm not at all opposed to people making and selling tangible products. I like that. But I hate the advertising, I hate the monetizing of videos, I hate that people can make money making youtube videos......I hate it all. I hate what it's doing to the things I enjoyed for recreation before youtube was a thing.

But I hate government regulation even more and would rather suffer under the current system than suffer under a system where some government functionary decided who could make videos. More government is pretty much never an actual solution.

 

[go_deep]

I think a different angle should be taken.

If you make money off hunting and break game laws, your fine should be 10x larger.
Trespassing fine is $200, but your a YouTube star, $2,000 now.

 

[Billy Goat]

I think a different angle should be taken.

If you make money off hunting and break game laws, your fine should be 10x larger.
Trespassing fine is $200, but your a YouTube star, $2,000 now.

 

[TheTone]

They’re not “influencers” they are “winners”

The comment I got when I said this exact thing to Brian Calls weird ass I sleep with my wife video or whatever the hell that thing was

Why any company wants to financially support a person with his attitude is beyond me. It’s not the first time he’s shown his fragile ego

 

[Gobbler36]

The biggest difference I see is that legitimate outfitters are governed by fairly strict regulations by both land managing agencies and state wildlife agencies. Influencers not so much. They make money on the fringes of public land and wildlife management laws, often breaking these laws along the way for some type of personal gain and to the detriment of the wildlife and other hunters.

Exactly and 100% why I agree with the OP
Has nothing to do with limiting freedoms and everything to do with watching out for our resources

Would we go back in time and think dang we probably should have limited those market hunters but wait that’s putting our freedoms in jeopardy or would we regulate so we could enjoy higher numbers of game animals ?

 

[Gobbler36]

100% agree.

Honestly, I enjoy watching the content of the hunts and picking up different things from different groups. As a flatland east Texas guy who plans to hit the elk woods next year I enjoy seeing what I may need.


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How about just go and figure the rest out along the way
Half the shit they pack around you don’t need

 

[Bugger]

If you don’t like “influencers”, then don’t listen to them. Many of you sound like Howard Stern haters who “only listened to his show to hear what he would say next.” Or morality types who wanted to ban pornography so that they wouldn’t be tempted to view it.


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That was quite a jump from my comment..

 

[go_deep]

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I guess my problem is that I'm a law abiding citizen, and I don't think that way, My mind doesn't work that way. I'm black and white, if it's wrong, I don't do it, I don't look for technicalities.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

That was quite a jump from my comment..

Not all of my comment was directed at your post.


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[Billy Goat]

I guess my problem is that I'm a law abiding citizen, and I don't think that way, My mind doesn't work that way. I'm black and white, if it's wrong, I don't do it, I don't look for technicalities.

Point is I think simple fines won't stop it.


There's those that cheat, and those that don't.
Likely they are going to continue to cheat. It's like an addict, ears just grow longer so they can hear the sirens coming from the rabbit hole they are digging, but learning how to avoid them a little more each time along the way.

 

[go_deep]

Point is I think simple fines won't stop it.


There's those that cheat, and those that don't.
Likely they are going to continue to cheat. It's like an addict, ears just grow longer so they can hear the sirens coming from the rabbit hole they are digging, but learning how to avoid them a little more each time along the way.

Then double down and add some real jail time, 30 days+, delayed start till the first day of hunting season.
Can't make content behind bars.

 

[Billy Goat]

Then double down and add some real jail time, 30 days+, delayed start till the first day of hunting season.
Can't make content behind bars.

Commercial drivers are held to a higher standard, don't see why everyone hunting commercially isn't.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I’m with it, been saying for years how commercializing dead wildlife in anyway should be illegal. Hunt for food, hide, and antlers. Sell products and promote habit and conservation in any other way, shouldn’t need YouTube kill shot compilations to do that.

And to the flat landers needing how to videos, how many do you need to get out and hunt? Theres 10s of thousands of them. Pick one from 10 years ago and it’ll still work for today.

 

[Rizzy]

More regulation would only contribute to turning your state into the over regulated state you moved away from

 

[Hunter26]

Just don't need more regulations and expect somebody else "the government local or federally" to solve our problems. Not saying I have the answer but I just don't think putting regulations on the books really solves much here.

 

[CJohnson]

I don’t think “influencers” are going anywhere. They don’t exist in a vacuum, they exist because people watch them and buy the trinkets they hawk. So you’ve got plenty of demand and if I were a betting man, I’d say that advertisers spend a lot less for the “influencer” air time than they would for a regular TV or magazine ad back in the day. So, yes, some may fail and have to go back to regular jobs - as long as there are bored folks with a YouTube account, there will always be the latest “day by day” or whatever to fill that need.

Separately, I don’t understand how charging someone an additional fee for utilizing public resources for personal gain is infringing on their personal freedoms.

 

[tipsntails7]

I think taking a perfectly legal activity and making it illegal to film and produce content is a wildly un American idea.

I dont like the hunting influenecers. I dont watch their content. But we have a thread on here highlighting exactly what this rule would be looking to help change, and there are, I believe 3 names on it.....3 people who have poached for likes and are still active in the industry. It doesnt seem like its enough of a problem to warrant a law.

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Mw
Bowmar
Muleyfreak
Brian call
Gray light
Greentree.


That’s 6 right there and it took me 30 seconds to think of.

Banning market gunning was wildly un-American at one time. Conservation was wildly un-American at one time.

I’m not a big more government, enforcement guy, but something has to change, we cannot continue on this path with influencers being the “forward face” of hunting to the general public.

 

[LookinforDirt]

The biggest difference I see is that legitimate outfitters are governed by fairly strict regulations by both land managing agencies and state wildlife agencies. Influencers not so much. They make money on the fringes of public land and wildlife management laws, often breaking these laws along the way for some type of personal gain and to the detriment of the wildlife and other hunters.

Influencers are governed by the same strict regulations as all hunters. The laws already on the books are more than enough to protect from illegal hunting activities. There is no “fringe” of the law. You are either operating within the law or you’re not. Guides, influencers, common hunters can all be influenced to break the law by the temptation of some kind of personal gain.

 

[LookinforDirt]

Mw
Bowmar
Muleyfreak
Brian call
Gray light
Greentree.


That’s 6 right there and it took me 30 seconds to think of.

Banning market gunning was wildly un-American at one time. Conservation was wildly un-American at one time.

I’m not a big more government, enforcement guy, but something has to change, we cannot continue on this path with influencers being the “forward face” of hunting to the general public.

Now make a list of all the influencers who haven’t broken the law. And show that the number of influencers breaking the law is a higher percentage than your every day hunters who have broken the law. It’s more high profile when it’s an influencer and people love a train wreck so it leads to an assumption more influencers are doing it than anyone else out there. I’m not necessarily defending the influencer thing but I think a lot of self serving, cherry picked arguments are being used to crucify them. And a lot of assumptions are being made about their specific level of impact and contribution on what people’s complaints are with the state of hunting today.