thanks for the inputs yall. it isn't really a weight issue for the guy saying I need to put my big boy panties on. I was just curious if there was a better option I was overlooking. Yall have confirmed my original thoughts....vest and hat is probably the safest option. Its been nice hunting in NM because hunter orange isn't required. but going back to wy, I will now have to deal with the vest shuffle each time I layer up or down, and with the pack on, its probably best to have the hat as well. If I can access the pack with the vest attached to it, I may just leave it on there, and wear the hat so I don't have to mess with the vest as much.