How do we get a heavy (120+ grain) 6mm bullet made?

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I messaged burger they have a product suggestion option on there contact pages.
My 6 cm is currently running at 108 Berger at 3100 and I would estimate that if Berger made a 120 ish a 22-24” cm creed would still push about 2900-2950 which is a great speed imo.


If they could get a g7 over .3 with a from factor about .9 it would be my go to for sure.

It would fit well in there existing eol line


I think making a bullet that can run in the creeds and fast twist .243 would have al out of market potential.
Just playing devil's advocate here ( I would love a 120+ bullet). If I am working at Berger, reading your email, my first question is: Why aren't you using our 115 Grain instead of the 108? Why build a 120, when you aren't using our heaviest available 6mm now?
 

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Just playing devil's advocate here ( I would love a 120+ bullet). If I am working at Berger, reading your email, my first question is: Why aren't you using our 115 Grain instead of the 108? Why build a 120, when you aren't using our heaviest available 6mm now?
that’s exactly right, there 115 has a .956 form
Factor ( sectional density / g7) the 108 has .912.

.956 is not great

I’m probably over so simplifiting this but form factors is a measure of how good the bc is for the given weight. Berger has bullets below .9 see attached. So a .9 form factors 120 ish would be sweet.

@Formidilosus you run the WEZ a lot it’s my guess that bullets with better from factors almost always have higher hits, is that true ?

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Because the BC sucks for a 115gr bullet.
I totally understand that. I have been using the 105 VLDH because of that.

My position was from the Berger marketing department. I don't know that they would know why someone would ask for a 120, when they are not using the 115. And if they don't know, how good would their 120 be B.C. wise?
I think a tipped 120 would be the way to get the best possible "heavy" 6mm anyway.
I have a bunch of Dtacs, and 109 Eldm's to get me by until it happens. ;)
 

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I think going away from the vld shape to hybrid shape would help with a higher bc but i can agree from a marking standpoint they need something to make it distinctive from the 115 vld. I however don’t think the 115 vld would is hugely popular
 
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I think going away from the vld shape to hybrid shape would help with a higher bc but i can agree from a marking standpoint they need something to make it distinctive from the 115 vld. I however don’t think the 115 vld would is hugely popular
Maybe a good application for a new “EOL” bullet? A Berger 6mm 120 gr EOL has a nice ring to it…
 

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I think going away from the vld shape to hybrid shape would help with a higher bc but i can agree from a marking standpoint they need something to make it distinctive from the 115 vld. I however don’t think the 115 vld would is hugely popular
I think they just need to do away with the 115 and replace it with something that has a better bc. The only reason I have considered them is to get berger consistency in a 115 to run in my 28" Ackley and stay under prs speed limit with enough pressure to get things to work right with h1000. I decided that the dtacs are good enough. When the wind gets high enough that I bring it out, everyone is dropping a ton of points. Having a 1/2 moa 10 shot group isn't gaining points over a 3/4 moa ten shot group in those matches. In normal winds I just run a 6 Dasher with 108 Bergers at idle speed and it does fine.
 

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Berger needs to just do away with a lot of skus and focus on what guys are actually shooting. They have a boat load of bullets that just sit on the shelves it seems.
 

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Well, if you are looking at something in the 243/6cm/25cm class, the 6CM with 103gr ELD-X, 108gr ELD-M, etc are great. Yes a 115-120gr TMK type bullet would be awesome, but that really comes into play when you are getting into something like a 6PRC or 6UM.
Would you consider the Barnes 112 match burners a viable option for a Tikka 243, 1:8? The barrel is currently at 22", but I'd prefer to cut it back to 18-19" (no suppressor).

This is specifically for bighorn ram hunting.

I've been using a 5.75 lb Kimber Hunter in 6.5 cm the past 3-4 years, but sold that rifle and will be using a 243 Tikka in a Rokstok moving forward.

Thanks
 

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Would you consider the Barnes 112 match burners a viable option for a Tikka 243, 1:8? The barrel is currently at 22", but I'd prefer to cut it back to 18-19" (no suppressor).

This is specifically for bighorn ram hunting.

I've been using a 5.75 lb Kimber Hunter in 6.5 cm the past 3-4 years, but sold that rifle and will be using a 243 Tikka in a Rokstok moving forward.

Thanks

Absolutely. The 112gr MB upsets violently, and is probably near perfect for sheep, goats, deer, etc.
 

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Absolutely. The 112gr MB upsets violently, and is probably near perfect for sheep, goats, deer, etc.
Interesting. I hadn’t considered the 112MB before. I have about 195 TMKs left, but would you lean towards the 108 ELDM or the 112 MB as a replacement once out. I like the higher BC in the MB.
 

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Interesting. I hadn’t considered the 112MB before. I have about 195 TMKs left, but would you lean towards the 108 ELDM or the 112 MB as a replacement once out. I like the higher BC in the MB.

I’ll trade you 112 MB for some 95gr TMK’s….
 

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I’ll trade you 112 MB for some 95gr TMK’s….
Lol. I’ve spent some serious time gathering these. I’m just trying to consider the 108 or the 112 when these run out - which I suspect they will before I ever see another batch in Canada.
 

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Lol. I’ve spent some serious time gathering these. I’m just trying to consider the 108 or the 112 when these run out - which I suspect they will before I ever see another batch in Canada.

I figured.
 
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i hope other back me up by submitting a comment on Berger's website.
i agree the 115 could be obsoleted, and the EOL seems like a great place to house the 120 ish 6
Done!
 

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Sounds like an opportunity for Hornady to continue the pattern and create a new bullet around a 6PRC line.

One of the Hornady guys over on the Hide stated they wouldn’t do a 25 PRC due to it being overbore so that pretty much leaves the 6 PRC as a wildcat.
 
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