Hornady A-Tip Match Bullets

[Formidilosus]

Guys.....


Shooting a bullet into wood, has no translation whatsoever to performance in tissue.

 

[Tumbleweed]

Guys.....


Shooting a bullet into wood, has no translation whatsoever to performance in tissue.

Is it the same as tissue? Of course not. In testing we work off of comparisons sometimes. For example, one could know that a specific bullet works excellent on game. Comparing that bullet and a new bullet under the same test conditions gives very good information. I expect after this fall is over with we'll have a pretty good idea how well the A-tips work under a variety of conditions.


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[bigbulls]

Thanks for posting WesternHntr, looks promising

 

[Formidilosus]

Is it the same as tissue? Of course not. In testing we work off of comparisons sometimes. For example, one could know that a specific bullet works excellent on game. Comparing that bullet and a new bullet under the same test conditions gives very good information. I expect after this fall is over with we'll have a pretty good idea how well the A-tips work under a variety of conditions.


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That’s not how it works with bullets. I can state factually that shooting wood has zero correlation to tissue. It will only tell you how it performs in wood.


A-Tips work fine in tissue.

 

[Tumbleweed]

That’s not how it works with bullets. I can state factually that shooting wood has zero correlation to tissue. It will only tell you how it performs in wood.


A-Tips work fine in tissue.

Lol! I think you need to read my post again


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[WesternHntr]

That’s not how it works with bullets. I can state factually that shooting wood has zero correlation to tissue. It will only tell you how it performs in wood.


A-Tips work fine in tissue.

Umm yeah dude.. we all know wood's not flesh.
Tumbleweed said it pretty well, this is just a comparison to see how different types of bullets expand in the same media.

In my experience shooting into wood is a very conservative way to test expansion, and it has been a very good indicator of how a bullet will behave on game.
Liquid actually initiates expansion more than wood alone.

I've had 250 grain Berger's pencil through cedar logs with impact velocities around 2000 fps, and we all know they expand well on game at that velocity.

I'm really hoping for some on game results soon, hopefully I'll have some results on elk in a few weeks

 

[Formidilosus]

Umm yeah dude.. we all know wood's not flesh.
Tumbleweed said it pretty well, this is just a comparison to see how different types of bullets expand in the same media.

Except, that the media is NOT transferable. Bullet “A” amd “B” both do well in tissue. Bullet “A” expands in wood. Bullet “B” does not expand at all in wood. Shooting them into wood, did not tell you anything about what either bullet does in tissue.
I get it, people want a way to “test” bullets before they use them. Unfortunately, there is no home brew method to test bullet performance in tissue, unless you buy and make ordnance grade ballistic gelatin and calibrate it.

Different media has different effects on bullets regardless of what those bullets do in another media. Your comment below, is an example of that.

I've had 250 grain Berger's pencil through cedar logs with impact velocities around 2000 fps, and we all know they expand well on game at that velocity.

You’re making my point. Those 250gr Berger’s preform well in tissue, poorly in wood. On the flip side, Barnes TSX’s perform well in tissue, and they expand in wood. You can’t compare how one bullet will do in tissue to another bullet, by shooting them into wood.
I am extremely familiar with terminal ballistics testing. If there was ANY correlation with terminal effects of bullets by shooting wood, mud, dirt, water, etc., we would use that instead of the expensive and time consuming properly calibrated 10% ballistic gelatin.

If guys want to shoot wood, dirt, cars, whatever- far be it for me to say otherwise. I’m simply offering terminal ballistics facts that shooting into wood, is NOT going to give what you think it will.

Again, the A-Tip performs well in tissue. Not guessing in this.

 

[Ryan Avery]

While it's not wood

Two elk with 230s out of my 30 Nolser. Both at around 700 yards. Very similar results to a 230 Berger.

 

[wind gypsy]

Ryan,

Are you using the hornady listed BC's or near for your ballistic solutions?

 

[Ryan Avery]

Ryan,

Are you using the hornady listed BC's or near for your ballistic solutions?

I have shot the heck out of this bullet out to 1800 yards and find it better than advertised. I have my G7 BC set to .420


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[WesternHntr]

While it's not wood

Two elk with 230s out of my 30 Nolser. Both at around 700 yards. Very similar results to a 230 Berger.

Awesome!
Could you have posted this before I wasted all my time doing nonsensical useless testing on wood lol...
What velocity are you running them in your 30 Nos?

 

[Ryan Avery]

Awesome!
Could you have posted this before I wasted all my time doing nonsensical useless testing on wood lol...
What velocity are you running them in your 30 Nos?

2950 FPS with 570 and Bertram Brass.

 

[WesternHntr]

2950 FPS with 570 and Bertram Brass.

Thanks
Im curious how many grains you're running.
I'm getting 2975 with 81 grains N570 in my 300 PRC (27" barrel) with .5 moa accuracy at 200 yards.

 

[bigbulls]

There are some more results here if interested.
https://www.longrangeonly.com/forum...-230-gr-tip-terminal-performance-reports.html

 

[rifletuner]

Guys, apologies for the necropost but I wanted to see if we could revisit the topic of A Tip terminal performance.

Probably like many here, I was pretty excited to see the release of the A Tip. But early reporting on terminal performance from multiple people indicated a lot of inconstancy in how the A Tip killed game. When they performed as we were hoping, terminal results were impressive. But it seemed like a lottery that wasn't worth trying considering the down side in performance that people were finding when they didnt work in a high percentage of cases

But over the last few years, I have been seeing a lot of pretty consistent reports of good terminal performance from A Tips. And from the recent reports I have seen, this is across various calibres and bullet weights. And I have not been hearing much on the poor performance that seemed to happen in about 50% of the cases during the first 12 months or so of A Tips hitting the market.

I realise there are not recommended by Hornady for hunting. But nonetheless it makes me wonder if Hornady has quietly changed something in the construction of A Tips since the initial release?

Just wondering whether people have been using A Tips on game in the last few years, and if so, what the results have been?

 

[Mike D Texas]

Guys, apologies for the necropost but I wanted to see if we could revisit the topic of A Tip terminal performance.

Probably like many here, I was pretty excited to see the release of the A Tip. But early reporting on terminal performance from multiple people indicated a lot of inconstancy in how the A Tip killed game. When they performed as we were hoping, terminal results were impressive. But it seemed like a lottery that wasn't worth trying considering the down side in performance that people were finding when they didnt work in a high percentage of cases

But over the last few years, I have been seeing a lot of pretty consistent reports of good terminal performance from A Tips. And from the recent reports I have seen, this is across various calibres and bullet weights. And I have not been hearing much on the poor performance that seemed to happen in about 50% of the cases during the first 12 months or so of A Tips hitting the market.

I realise there are not recommended by Hornady for hunting. But nonetheless it makes me wonder if Hornady has quietly changed something in the construction of A Tips since the initial release?

Just wondering whether people have been using A Tips on game in the last few years, and if so, what the results have been?

I haven’t hunted with them due to the same reports you reference……but I want to really bad because they are stupid accurate in my 260AI and the BC is ridiculously high and consistent.


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[Formidilosus]

Guys, apologies for the necropost but I wanted to see if we could revisit the topic of A Tip terminal performance.

Probably like many here, I was pretty excited to see the release of the A Tip. But early reporting on terminal performance from multiple people indicated a lot of inconstancy in how the A Tip killed game. When they performed as we were hoping, terminal results were impressive. But it seemed like a lottery that wasn't worth trying considering the down side in performance that people were finding when they didnt work in a high percentage of cases

But over the last few years, I have been seeing a lot of pretty consistent reports of good terminal performance from A Tips. And from the recent reports I have seen, this is across various calibres and bullet weights. And I have not been hearing much on the poor performance that seemed to happen in about 50% of the cases during the first 12 months or so of A Tips hitting the market.

I realise there are not recommended by Hornady for hunting. But nonetheless it makes me wonder if Hornady has quietly changed something in the construction of A Tips since the initial release?

Just wondering whether people have been using A Tips on game in the last few years, and if so, what the results have been?

The very first ones upset violently and consistently. Later lots, were/are extremely variable- some create massive wounds, some do not upset at all, and some perform about like one would expect.

FWIW- the 6.5mm 153gr versions seemed to be the most variable in what I’ve seen.

 

[willfrye027]

The new .257 A tip is intriguing. Pretty good BC increase over the 134. Not sure I want to be the guinea pig for terminal performance..the 134s have been perfect so far

 

[Schmo]

@Ryan Avery, @Formidilosus, Are there enough reports on the 6mm 110 A-Tip on game to say whether or not to use it?

 

[Formidilosus]

@Ryan Avery, @Formidilosus, Are there enough reports on the 6mm 110 A-Tip on game to say whether or not to use it?

What little I’ve seen has been erratic.