Well I have tried both the 2011 and 2013 Kanab pants from First Lite and I had both blow out the crotch. I will say the 2013 pair did better than the 2011, but for me they don't work. I think the pants are well made, but I have some big (muscular thighs) and it causes the pants to not work for me. First Lite has been great to deal with on it, so that is not an issue. Does anyone have a possible alternative pant that would match my total hunting wardrobe of ASAT camo from First Lite. Seems a shame to have almost every item of clothing they make, but not be able to have the pants too. I do have a set of ASAT pants from ASAT camo. They are like BDU pants, but they are not high performance. If they got wet, they would be an issue. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.