Has it ever been this bad?

[5MilesBack]

I get it, it’s capitalism. I’m just the working man who doesn’t have the tech, time or money to automatically buy whatever I can just to repost it for a 200% profit. I guess it’s just part of being middle class.

Regardless I still think whoever is doing the above is a jackass.

And I think that anyone selling their home for what they paid for it instead of market value is an idiot. Come on, man........as Biden would say. Nobody that is complaining about others selling their stuff at market value is going to sell their home at way less than market value........especially middle class folks. That's hypocrisy. Whether it's a home, a vehicle, a stock, or ammo........stuff sells at market value, unless you're in it for philanthropy. But then you'd sell your ammo or components for what you paid for them to "be a nice guy" and then they'd sell it for market prices.

 

[Lawnboi]

And I think that anyone selling their home for what they paid for it instead of market value is an idiot. Come on, man........as Biden would say. Nobody that is complaining about others selling their stuff at market value is going to sell their home at way less than market value........especially middle class folks. That's hypocrisy. Whether it's a home, a vehicle, a stock, or ammo........stuff sells at market value, unless you're in it for philanthropy. But then you'd sell your ammo or components for what you paid for them to "be a nice guy" and then they'd sell it for market prices.

I get it. I understand I won’t ever be on the other end, just won’t happen. Be it reality or ammunition. I don’t disagree with selling for a profit, but some of this is just getting stupid, and yes it is screwing over the small man.

Edit: Buying components out from under the feet of customers who need them, just to turn a profit on them is just a kick in the balls to the people who actually need them. Right wrong or indifferent that’s just how I see it.

 

[CorbLand]

Just to clear up any confusion on why this is happening, I work part time at a Sportsman's Warehouse in Utah. Basically, what we have been instructed to do is to keep enough ammo to sell 1 box with every gun on the shelf. If we get 3 AR's and 5 bulk boxes of 5.56, then 3 of them go in the back with the AR's so that the guy buying his new gun can actually use his new gun, and the other 2 go on the shelf. Usually, the ammo on the shelf gone within an hour, and the AR's within a day. So it's not like we sit on billions of rounds of ammo and sit and giggle because everyone is running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I can't even get what I need for myself. It's been months since I saw any Hornady Precision Hunter 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo, let alone any Hybrid 100v for my 7mm rem mag. So it's not like we all save it for ourselves, we just try to make sure the new guy can use his new toy. The guys who work at the stores suffer just like you. We just aren't receiving it. To the guy who says "It's like they are not even expecting or wanting to put ammo back up," we WANT so bad to put it out, but we just don't receive it. And retail/sales 101 is that you never leave a shelf space empty. You fill it with something else, because it's more pleasing to the eye. I completely redo our ammo shelves every week because some weeks we get lots of 30-06 and no 270, then the next week we get 300 win mag and our 30-06 is gone. So we just try to cycle through the space we do have and maximize the shelf space we do have. I would bet most places do the exact same thing.

Also, a word of advice on getting stuff from a storefront retailer. If you come in like vultures looking for and scrambling for everything on order receival day, we wait until you're gone to finish putting the order out on the shelves. Not gonna help the jerk. But if you come in politely and ask respectfully if we have any XXX in the order, most of us will drop what we are doing and go dig for you. I can't tell you how many people I've asked to leave the store because every box I've pulled out of the back they're digging through it faster than I can open it and leaving a mess behind them.

Dont be the asshole that follows the cart around as the employee is putting it out too. I had a couple guys block the cart the other day and just go through it as I was moving down the isle.

If you are mad because we hold some ammo back to sell with guns...just remember that if we put that ammo on the shelf it probably wont be there for you either.

We have guys come in and fill carts with primers, powder, 9mm, 556 and then walk around the store for an hour as their buddies trickle in and buy their allotment. So when you are mad that we hold things back, dont allow lists, etc. Just remember what you see once, we are seeing daily.

It baffles me that amount of people that think we are just being assholes and dont understand. I had a guy call me on the phone yelling at me because I couldnt just let him "buy primers now and he can come get them next week when we get them." I explained three times that A) we dont even know if we are getting them and B) if we did that, he would be about 1000 people down the list and that at the current rate of receiving primers, we would get to him in about 7 years. But yes, sir "I am just being an asshole and choosing a shitty way to run a business."

 

[5MilesBack]

I get it. I understand I won’t ever be on the other end, just won’t happen. Be it reality or ammunition. I don’t disagree with selling for a profit, but some of this is just getting stupid, and yes it is screwing over the small man. Just like the housing market in some places.......

Edit: Buying components out from under the feet of customers who need them, just to turn a profit on them is just a kick in the balls to the people who actually need them. Right wrong or indifferent that’s just how I see it.

The problem with that argument is how does one know who actually needs the ammo and who doesn't? Who's need is more important......and to who? How does one determine whether the person buying them is in need or not? How does the person that is there buying them get them before another person that thinks they need them more than that person........every time they come in stock? I would think that if someone is truly in need for these items, then they would become more creative in figuring out a way to be there first, or try a different store or way to get them. Or even better, get them before a shortage comes along like these shortages ALWAYS do. I get it, it sucks holding the short end of the stick. But don't blame someone else for your lack of planning.

 

[Rob5589]

I get it. I understand I won’t ever be on the other end, just won’t happen. Be it realty or ammunition. I don’t disagree with selling for a profit, but some of this is just getting stupid, and yes it is screwing over the small man.

Edit: Buying components out from under the feet of customers who need them, just to turn a profit on them is just a kick in the balls to the people who actually need them. Right wrong or indifferent that’s just how I see it.

If you (not you personally) have no comps, ammo, etc, you really screwed yourself. I am in the same camp; I should have stocked deeper on reloading comps much earlier. I am good rifle wise but, jumped into pistol too late. Luckily I am stocked fairly well pistol ammo wise for now but reloading is definitely in my future.

 

[Roksliding]

I’m a new reloader. Being warned I stocked up on the normal stuff that goes pretty early. Powder, and primers.

Now I can’t even find a box of hunting bullets..... just the bullets. Gone.

Iv heard of the shortages, but have they ever been this bad?

I am glad I got into reloading at the time I did though, I’d be screwed otherwise.

On a side note visiting gun broker is about enough to make a guy sick. Product notifications that I missed, immediately on gunbroker for 500% markup.

I’ve reloaded since, the early 2000s, it’s as bad as I’ve seen it. (On the internet for sure) Maybe it’s cause of gunbroker though, the prices on there are insane! Makes me think I should’ve just bought reloading components instead of putting money in my 401k!!!

I live close to a pretty good reloading store, I just got a call tonight saying they got the h1000 I had been waiting for, but since went a different route, so I decided not to be part of the problem.

But if anyone wants to know where the store is I’ll sell the coordinates.!!!

 

[Lawnboi]

The problem with that argument is how does one know who actually needs the ammo and who doesn't? Who's need is more important......and to who? How does one determine whether the person buying them is in need or not? How does the person that is there buying them get them before another person that thinks they need them more than that person........every time they come in stock? I would think that if someone is truly in need for these items, then they would become more creative in figuring out a way to be there first, or try a different store or way to get them. Or even better, get them before a shortage comes along like these shortages ALWAYS do. I get it, it sucks holding the short end of the stick. But don't blame someone else for your lack of planning.

Had a number of friends who couldn’t find a box of ammo for hunting this last year. I’m sure they were not the only ones either. Some can’t afford to keep ammo on hand in bulk to go a year or 2 just for hunting.

On top of that I like to think that obtaining weapons and ammo is something most Americans can obtain, not just the rich.

Thankfully I stocked up some. I also shoot as a hobby, not just own firearms for self defense and hunting. I have enough to make it through the year, but not much longer. The wife and I just bought a house, saved our assess off and really couldn’t afford to just buy 500$ in ammo and components every few months.

I have no problem with capitalism, but what people are doing on gun broker is a kick in the balls. They are not just selling stuff, they are buying it out from under everyday people who want or need it.

And ammo is more than just a commodity in my mind. Especially with how things are going now.

And don’t even get me going on the housing market, like I said I just bought one. Pardon my language I know this site is pretty clean, but ******* ridiculous is an understatement.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Had a number of friends who couldn’t find a box of ammo for hunting this last year. I’m sure they were not the only ones either. Some can’t afford to keep ammo on hand in bulk to go a year or 2 just for hunting.

On top of that I like to thing that obtaining weapons and ammo is something most Americans can obtain, not just the rich.

Thankfully I stocked up some. I also shoot as a hobby, not just own firearms for self defense and hunting. I have enough to make it through the year, but not much longer. The wife and I just bought a house, saved our assess off and really couldn’t afford to just buy 500$ in ammo and components every few months.

I have no problem with capitalism, but what people are doing on gun broker is a kick in the balls. They are not just selling stuff, they are buying it out from under everyday people who want or need it.

And ammo is more than just a commodity in my mind. Especially with how things are going now.

And don’t even get me going on the housing market, like I said I just bought one. Pardon my language I know this site is pretty clean, but ******* ridiculous is an understatement.

Lol and a child born today will tell you they can't even imagine how cheap your house was.

 

[Lawnboi]

Lol and a child born today will tell you they can't even imagine how cheap your house was.

Not nearly as upset about the price as I am how stupid hard it was to get. Competition was ridiculous, especially being a tourist community, and me having living requirements with my job. Glad I’m done with the at though.

 

[Fatcamp]

Got 200 rounds of 6.5 Hornady GMX 140gr. Felt like I scored but looking at it now I think it will be too long for Tikka magazine. Stupid copper bullets.

ETA: Found a thread on LRH, think they will work. Dude loaded at 2.70 and had good results. That's shorter than what I shoot now.

 

[BRTreedogs]

If anyone along i80 between Marshalltown Iowa and Central Oregon has primers they wanna sell.
Large rifle
I'll be starting along fri after work.

 

[Lawnboi]

Got 200 rounds of 6.5 Hornady GMX 140gr. Felt like I scored but looking at it now I think it will be too long for Tikka magazine. Stupid copper bullets.

You can run a mountain tactical mag for 3”, or a long action mag and bolt stop, good news is you have options

But back on topic, when the Obama run went, I was 20, in school living on peanuts. Now that I know, I won’t let this happen to me or my friends ever again.

 

[Rob5589]

Got 200 rounds of 6.5 Hornady GMX 140gr. Felt like I scored but looking at it now I think it will be too long for Tikka magazine. Stupid copper bullets.

ETA: Found a thread on LRH, think they will work. Dude loaded at 2.70 and had good results. That's shorter than what I shoot now.

Get a long action mag. Nice thing about Tikka.

 

[Fatcamp]

And ya, to the thread title, by far as bad as I've seen it. Scheels today was weird. Almost no guns for sale and masses buying up ammo. Guy stocking the shelves told me they get 20 boxes of bullets returned a day by people who think they are live rounds. LOL. Every day.

Bigs signs all over, "NOT LOADED AMMUNITION! BULLETS ONLY!"

I just want to practice with my wife and sons.

 

[Rob5589]

And ya, to the thread title, by far as bad as I've seen it. Scheels today was weird. Almost no guns for sale and masses buying up ammo. Guy stocking the shelves told me they get 20 boxes of bullets returned a day by people who think they are live rounds. LOL. Every day.

Bigs signs all over, "NOT LOADED AMMUNITION! BULLETS ONLY!"

I just want to practice with my wife and sons.

At least they returned them instead of dumping them on Gunbroker and quadrupling the price.

 

[Fatcamp]

At least they returned them instead of dumping them on Gunbroker and quadrupling the price.

I thought the same thing.

 

[Deplorable77]

I'm surprised they allowed returning projectiles. Sealed or not in this litigious society thats a rarity.

And ya, to the thread title, by far as bad as I've seen it. Scheels today was weird. Almost no guns for sale and masses buying up ammo. Guy stocking the shelves told me they get 20 boxes of bullets returned a day by people who think they are live rounds. LOL. Every day.

Bigs signs all over, "NOT LOADED AMMUNITION! BULLETS ONLY!"

I just want to practice with my wife and sons.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I heard a lady at the gun counter arguing about how the micro 9 in the case doesn't have a safety because it has a hammer.
He was like yes it has both.
She's said ill take it.

 

[hereinaz]

I wonder what a free trapper mountain man thought as he was leaving civilization and when he showed up at the Rendezvous to sell pelts and buy supplies...

 

[Fishnowhuntlater]

Problem I am running into is that I have lots of comps but not the stuff that my gun likes. Load development was late on my part and did not find my right recipe until it was hard to find.