Harrisburg PA

[Culleeny]

Hello,
New member. My name is Anton.

I'm in Harrisburg PA.
Member of the Harrisburg Hunters and Anglers gun club.

Bought a Daniel Defense AR-15 type rifle

 

[Wilderness Spirit]

Welcome from NEPA.

 

[Lou (Louis)]

Welcome to the Rok, Anton.

 

[Culleeny]

Thanks

 

[Culleeny]

If anyone in my area is reading this and could help me, I would highly appreciate any advice or real help with installation of a scope. Otherwise, I will just use YouTube and Google, of course.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Thread 'Scope mounting to maintain zero'

Sep 29, 2017

After multiple requests for an explanation of how to mount a scope in order to have the lowest possibility of loss of zero, a discussion of a scope mounting video, and the latest thread about scope bases and action screw coming loose, I took some pics of what I do with a rifle when I get it and how I mount scopes (or anything with screws).

To start- a bit of background of why I say what I say.

I am a backpack hunter. What I write below is tailored to hunting.

Having sid that, I work at a place that fires a lot of ammo. I see over half a million rounds a year on average get fired...

• Formidilosus
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• Forum: Firearms

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I'm in solanco, I'll be up at carslile barracks in 2 weeks for the certified hunter range day if you want hands on help. I'm not wasting the time mounting a vortex though.

Rifle Scope Field Evaluations

rokslide.com

 

[Culleeny]

Thread 'Scope mounting to maintain zero'

Sep 29, 2017

After multiple requests for an explanation of how to mount a scope in order to have the lowest possibility of loss of zero, a discussion of a scope mounting video, and the latest thread about scope bases and action screw coming loose, I took some pics of what I do with a rifle when I get it and how I mount scopes (or anything with screws).

To start- a bit of background of why I say what I say.

I am a backpack hunter. What I write below is tailored to hunting.

Having sid that, I work at a place that fires a lot of ammo. I see over half a million rounds a year on average get fired...

• Formidilosus
• Replies: 257
• Forum: Firearms

• 

I'm in solanco, I'll be up at carslile barracks in 2 weeks for the certified hunter range day if you want hands on help. I'm not wasting the time mounting a vortex though.

Rifle Scope Field Evaluations

rokslide.com

Appreciate the link.
Could you elaborate on Vortex part? I'm considering Vortex Viper PST Gen II 3-15×44. And want to install with a cantilever mount. Is it harder than what's in this description? Are there any installation specifics?

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Read the second link. Vortex scopes have a strong record of failing to maintain zero.

 

[eddielasvegas]

As the self-appointed chairman of the welcoming committee, it is my privilege to extend a laurel, and hearty handshake (virtual, of course) to our new PA member, Anton.


Eddie

 

[Culleeny]

Read the second link. Vortex scopes have a strong record of failing to maintain zero.

This is a very sweeping statement. I looked into this.
I see only one reason why Vortex might have this reputation. Vortex sells a vast number of scopes, ranging from entry-level Crossfire and Diamondback models to the Razor. Because there are so many in use, you'll naturally see more reports of problems online compared to brands that have less variety and manufacturing volumes. People often don't distinguish between product lines. A complaint about an entry-level scope gets generalized to "Vortex scopes."
Not even talking about "scope problems" that are actually caused by loose bases, improperly torqued rings, poor mounts, or installation errors.
.
The most important thing. My Viper PST Gen II 3-15×44 MRAD doesn't have this reputation.
Yes, I already bought the scope!
.
Now, for the mount, I'm considering either Badger Ordnance One 154-300B
or
Reptilia 100-116 AUS
Both are 1.54 in height, Black, 30mm
.
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The second link leads to the Field evaluation section. I didn't find my scope there. Opened several threads there and don't understand what I need there. I don't mean to be lazy, but could you please point out what is relevant to my question? Is there the same step by step scope installation for a scope like mine with cantilever mount like Badger Ordnance or Reptilia?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ResearchinStuff]

The process is the same for any scope/mount. But the results vary because not all are made equally well.


They didn't test entry level vortex.

Thread 'Vortex Razer GIII 6-36x56mm Field Evaluation'

Apr 7, 2023

This is a field evaluation of a Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36x56mm scope. This scope was brought to me from Ryan Avery for an evaluation, @Justin Crossley had it first. The ammunition used was Hornady Black 168gr AMAX that was purchased by Ryan. The 30 round proof group was just over 1.3 MOA.


The scope and weight-

It is a massive brick. I did not weight it before mounting, however it is a 15.5” long, 3 pound brick. Technically 15.3” and 45.1oz.



Turrets:

Elevation and Windage are both exposed and locking by pull up/push down. Elevation is 10 mils per rev, windage is...

• Formidilosus
• Replies: 12
• Forum: Rifle Scope Field Evaluations

Thread 'Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50mm Field Eval'

Feb 14, 2022

Ryan Avery asked if I would review this scope in the same vein as the Meopta Optika 6 and Tanget Theta evaluations and I agreed. I get queried about these scopes almost as much as any, and even though I have seen poor performance from the prior LHT’s, this is a different design and will be looked at with objectivity.

This thread will be similar to the others; focusing almost exclusively on correct function, and less on looks or “glass”. Those topics are beaten to death and they have little to do with use as an aiming device. It will be mounted correctly on a rifle/rifles that...

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• Forum: Rifle Scope Field Evaluations

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Post in thread 'PRS scope that passes drop eval?'

Jan 28, 2026

For strictly playing games, I don't think it's that big of a deal to pass a drop eval.

The zero board is open every morning, and PRS matches will frequently have zero boards set up every few stages. You have 45+ minutes between stages. If your rifle falls, you just run over to the zero board.

All the guys who win are shooting Kahles, Vortex, and Leupold for the most part and they generally don't really care if the zero is off, they just want to know where the zero is and then adjust the zero offset in the kestrel.

When you're constantly shooting, losing zero by a tenth from the car...

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Post in thread 'NF SHV 4-14x, Viper PST 3-15x, or Arken EPL-4 4-16x?' https://rokslide.com/forums/threads...-15x-or-arken-epl-4-4-16x.373913/post-3801364

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Post in thread 'The viper pst 2 failures'

Jun 22, 2026

Ive had a PST GEN 2 5-25 on a .22lr for 8 years or so that I use for rimfire PRS-type shooting. It tracks and works in use, but it frequently needs to be rezeroed. However, the road to get here involved multiple mounts and sets of rings, as well as stock bedding, pillars, etc. I have had the base come loose from the action. Ive had the action shift in the stock. Ive had ring clamps loosen, rings loosen on the scope, ammo issues, etc. Every time I addressed one of these the rifle got more consistent. At this point I zero the rifle but I set the zero-stop 5 clicks past that to give me room...

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[grfox92]

The most important thing. My Viper PST Gen II 3-15×44 MRAD doesn't have this reputation.
Yes, I already bought the scope!

Yes it does, and you should return it.

Why does your reply read like it was copy and pasted out of Chat GPT?

 

[Culleeny]

Oh, well... if my scope failing to maintain rero, then I will find something else. This is my first rifle and first scope. But until I change the scope, I will choose good quality mount and will make sure I'm doing everything else right.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Culleeny]

Yes it does, and you should return it.

Why does your reply read like it was copy and pasted out of Chat GPT?

Because I don't have any experience, and I have to Google to figure out everything.

My scope is a $1k scope. A lot of people out there enjoying $300-500 scopes (Vortex and other brands). So, I'm already in a better position.
When this scope becomes a limitation for my skills (when I develop skills), I will find something better.

But If you have an advice on what would be the closest rivals (that are maintaining zero) without doubling the cost, I might consider changing sooner.

Thanks.

 

[grfox92]

The price of the scope means absolutely nothing. Zero, Zilch.

A $350 SWFA holds zero better than a $4k Kahles. Holding zero isn't something manufacturer's focus their energy on.

In the $1k price range. Nightforce SHV, Trijicon Credo, Maven RS1.2.

Arkens are also great. They can lose zero, but less likely than anything Vortex.

Literally any SWFA is under $1000. I only shoot SWFA.

 

[Culleeny]

The price of the scope means absolutely nothing. Zero, Zilch.

A $350 SWFA holds zero better than a $4k Kahles. Holding zero isn't something manufacturer's focus their energy on.

In the $1k price range. Nightforce SHV, Trijicon Credo, Maven RS1.2.

Arkens are also great. They can lose zero, but less likely than anything Vortex.

Literally any SWFA is under $1000. I only shoot SWFA.

Thanks for the recommendations.

Maybe you are right. But until today I didn't even know that SWFA and Maven existed as brands. I knew about Nightforce SHV, it was on my short list, but for a beginner it was more expensive than Viper PST.

I'm starting shooting with iron sights. Bought this PST to try next. When I figured out my shooting style and preferences, I will be looking for something like Nightforce NX8, Leupold Mark 5HD, Nightforce ATACR.

 

[grfox92]

Thanks for the recommendations.

Maybe you are right. But until today I didn't even know that SWFA and Maven existed as brands. I knew about Nightforce SHV, it was on my short list, but for a beginner it was more expensive than Viper PST.

I'm starting shooting with iron sights. Bought this PST to try next. When I figured out my shooting style and preferences, I will be looking for something like Nightforce NX8, Leupold Mark 5HD, Nightforce ATACR.

No. Not a Leupold mark 5. Read through the threads ReaserchinStuff posted and make a decision based on data.

Guess why this Mark 5 in a 1 piece spur mount is collecting dust on a shelf and that rifle now has a $350 SWFA on it? I got tired of wasting ammo re zeroing it constantly.

 

[JPeters218]

I know it sounds like everyone here is just a sh*tting on your purchase, but I promise they’re all just trying to help. We’ve all been down this road personally, and see dozens of people like you come here every year.
We’re just trying to save you some time, money, and frustration. If the scope is still new, I’d seriously recommend returning it and buying one of the brands mentioned here. A trijicon Credo 2.5-15x42 is pretty much an exact replacement and will serve you much better

 

[grfox92]

I know it sounds like everyone here is just a sh*tting on your purchase, but I promise they’re all just trying to help. We’ve all been down this road personally, and see dozens of people like you come here every year.
We’re just trying to save you some time, money, and frustration. If the scope is still new, I’d seriously recommend returning it and buying one of the brands mentioned here. A trijicon Credo 2.5-15x42 is pretty much an exact replacement and will serve you much better

Yea. We arent trying to be Dicks. Wr ate genuinely trying to stop you from having a bad situation.

 

[JPeters218]

Yea. We arent trying to be Dicks. Wr ate genuinely trying to stop you from having a bad situation.

Especially with this being your introduction to rifles. No sense starting on a bad foot