Gunpowder Analysis 7mm PRC

[wabash503]

If you are going to go through the entire process of handloading, why handcuff yourself by choosing a local only powder? Should just go buy factory ammo as well then. Companies always waiving one or the other fee.

I have yet to see that phenomenon regularly...and I have never seen RL26 available, yet everyone seems to think they're the smartest guy in the room by continuing to recommend it.

What I have seen regularly is H1000, 4831sc, and Retumbo priced over $60/lb plus hazmat and shipping... Bringing the total up to $90-100/lb shipped.

Why would I start load development for a 160 CX with that, when I have a $40/lb locally? Its not like we're talking about 6.5 creed and H4350. 7 PRC, particularly with the 160 CX, doesn't have a lot of good data out there yet.

So why would I spend an extra $50/lb when I'm just getting started?

As for reloading vs factory ammo... It's not even close which is more cost effective long term.

 

[jfk69]

At least monthly ALL of Natchez, Graf and Sons and Powder Valley have hazmat free days. Mid South has them too, but I’m not sure how often as I don’t shop there much. Why would you NOT look for a better, more temp stable powder? I have no doubt that N565, N570, H1000 and Retumbo will give better performance. They’re the powders you see used most in that cartridge for a reason. But hey, save $50 now and burn up a bunch of components so you can rework a load later using one of those more suitable powder. Penny wise and pound foolish…

 

[kevingm1987]

I have yet to see that phenomenon regularly...and I have never seen RL26 available, yet everyone seems to think they're the smartest guy in the room by continuing to recommend it.

What I have seen regularly is H1000, 4831sc, and Retumbo priced over $60/lb plus hazmat and shipping... Bringing the total up to $90-100/lb shipped.

Why would I start load development for a 160 CX with that, when I have a $40/lb locally? Its not like we're talking about 6.5 creed and H4350. 7 PRC, particularly with the 160 CX, doesn't have a lot of good data out there yet.

So why would I spend an extra $50/lb when I'm just getting started?

As for reloading vs factory ammo... It's not even close which is more cost effective long term.

You ask for help and suggestions and then don't listen and say you will just buy powder locally because its cheaper. You will spend more money on time attempting to use an unproven power then paying the fee. People are talking about proven powders and you just ignore them. Once you find the powder by a 8lb keg and be done.

The RL line up is hard to find anywhere because of the war but any Hodgdon or Vit should be able to be found.

As @jfk69 mentioned, all the big guys have sales with either free shipping or free hazmat at least once month.

 

[Slick8]

Probaly not the answer you're looking for but if I can't load Varget, H4350, H1000 or Retumbo then I don't buy that cartridge. Sure, there's many other powders availble and many that are faster but I've learned the capabilites of these and love them. I stock on them when ever I see something pop up unless it's stupid pricing. It's no longer about saving money when it comps to powder and primers, it's about having some.

Have to pay to play.

FWIW, H1k would do great and it's what I plan to use when I get one.

 

[SDHNTR]

You cannot figure out ES/SD on paper. You will never know until you send several down the barrel.

 

[wabash503]

You ask for help and suggestions and then don't listen and say you will just buy powder locally because its cheaper. You will spend more money on time attempting to use an unproven power then paying the fee. People are talking about proven powders and you just ignore them. Once you find the powder by a 8lb keg and be done.

The RL line up is hard to find anywhere because of the war but any Hodgdon or Vit should be able to be found.

As @jfk69 mentioned, all the big guys have sales with either free shipping or free hazmat at least once month.

Actually I asked for thoughts on the powder analysis, not random suggestions on powders and different bullets... Particularly not with every other person telling me RL26.

And the funny thing is I found confirmation of what I thought from Hornady and a 40 year professional ballistician...which I shared above. And separately I found Magpro is actually a really good powder, yes temp sensitive, but so long as you don't leave it out on the sun, it's not a big deal.

Look, the point is, don't crap on someone else's thread when you're off topic, and get called on it.

 

[wabash503]

You cannot figure out ES/SD on paper. You will never know until you send several down the barrel.

Wrong. Listen to the experts in the podcast. Their data, both theoretical and actual, proved one another. Guys like you that come in here and regurgitate what you've seen on another thread about RL 26 and 180 ELDM can just stop.

This isn't your thread. You are off topic. And so arrogant that I've had enough. If you don't have a valid opinion other than "buy H1000" than you have no idea what this thread was about to begin with. Looking specifically for powder analysis in the context of 160 gr CX bullets.

And they best analysis out there has been done by Lil Crow Gun Works... He's also the only one out there with quality data.

Now, I've already been reloading on other cartridges for years, I'm also a former Army Ordnance Officer... So don't give me your back of the napkin BS, ignite the context of this thread, and then act all high and mighty when I call BS. Go troll someone else.

 

[kevingm1987]

Actually I asked for thoughts on the powder analysis, not random suggestions on powders and different bullets... Particularly not with every other person telling me RL26.

And the funny thing is I found confirmation of what I thought from Hornady and a 40 year professional ballistician...which I shared above. And separately I found Magpro is actually a really good powder, yes temp sensitive, but so long as you don't leave it out on the sun, it's not a big deal.

Look, the point is, don't crap on someone else's thread when you're off topic, and get called on it.

If you think you will get what you need with a ball powder and a magnum, you do you.

Enjoy the MagPro, post results. Let us know when you have wasted enough money and decided to make a switch.

 

[SDHNTR]

Wrong. Listen to the experts in the podcast. Their data, both theoretical and actual, proved one another. Guys like you that come in here and regurgitate what you've seen on another thread about RL 26 and 180 ELDM can just stop.

This isn't your thread. You are off topic. And so arrogant that I've had enough. If you don't have a valid opinion other than "buy H1000" than you have no idea what this thread was about to begin with. Looking specifically for powder analysis in the context of 160 gr CX bullets.

And they best analysis out there has been done by Lil Crow Gun Works... He's also the only one out there with quality data.

Now, I've already been reloading on other cartridges for years, I'm also a former Army Ordnance Officer... So don't give me your back of the napkin BS, ignite the context of this thread, and then act all high and mighty when I call BS. Go troll someone else.

Whoa. I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you have me confused with someone else. Your anger is misguided and unwarranted.

 

[wabash503]

If you think you will get what you need with a ball powder and a magnum, you do you.

Enjoy the MagPro, post results. Let us know when you have wasted enough money and decided to make a switch.

Have you looked at what people are pulling out of Outfitter ammo lately? Double base ball powders. That's what Hornady is using... Yes probably a blend, but still a ball powder.

 

[wabash503]

Whoa. I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you have me confused with someone else. Your anger is misguided and unwarranted.

No, I'm pretty well fed up with folks like you that come in and hijack a thread you didn't start with "common knowledge" that turns out is just a bunch of the same nonsense that a lot of you guys believe... And is clearly refuted by actually smart people, which is why I shared that video.

People like you that come in here and make off handed/dismissive remarks when I'm just new to the cartridge, curious, and analyzing things before I make a decision... Are the real problem. You downplay creativity and things that go against the norm.

Next time, feel free to stay off my threads. Thanks.

 

[SDHNTR]

Holy crap, you’re actually serious. Hahahahaha!

 

[wabash503]

Holy crap, you’re actually serious. Hahahahaha!

Like I said. You're a troll.

 

[kevingm1987]

Have you even looked at what people are pulling out of Outfitter ammo lately? Double base ball powders. That's what Hornady is using... Yes probably a blend, but still a ball powder.

And the 7PRC hornady ammo has gone to shit since they did that, well documented. Can't get the RL powder they built the round around.

 

[wabash503]

And the 7PRC hornady ammo has gone to shit since they did that, well documented. Can't get the RL powder they built the round around.

Speed has dropped off yes... Still pretty accurate though.

 

[kevingm1987]

Speed has dropped off yes... Still pretty accurate though.

No need for a PRC if it isn't moving faster than the other 7mm mags.

You need velocity with copper, anything lost a front end is distance lost in the long end.

 

[huntnful]

Like I said. You're a troll.

No, you’re dead ass wrong and more of a troll than SDHNTR.

You can START with a powder that shows a lower jump of speed per grain ON A COMPUTER. That is absolutely not always what takes place in the barrel during combustion in real life.

You are 100% wrong thinking it’s a guarantee that it’ll provide the lowest ES.

Unreal how you’re talking to these dude when you have ZERO first hand experience, besides watching youtube videos.

 

[jfk69]

Wow. I didn’t get what I wanted so I’ll act like a petulant 2 year old. Have at it ordnance officer. Burn components to your heart’s content. There are very few knowledgeable people that don’t know Hornady has been desperately seeking an alternative to their Hornady Precision loads since Re26 became unobtainable. Very few don’t know their ammo is running 150-200 fps UNDER what it is advertised at when they had access to Re26. Their ball powders they’re using are an attempt to keep accuracy and velocity close to what it was, but it’s well documented that they aren’t anywhere close. And then you, again like a petulant child, fight like a wounded buffalo against anyone disagreeing with you when YOU came asking for advice.

Admit it, you came seeking support for your “idea”. And when you didn’t get it you acted like a dick. So go buy your MagPro and do your thing. Douche.

 

[wabash503]

No, you’re dead ass wrong and more of a troll than SDHNTR.

You can START with a powder that shows a lower jump of speed per grain ON A COMPUTER. That is absolutely not always what takes place in the barrel during combustion in real life.

You are 100% wrong thinking it’s a guarantee that it’ll provide the lowest ES.

Unreal how you’re talking to these dude when you have ZERO first hand experience, besides watching youtube videos.

Go find another thread.

 

[wabash503]

Wow. I didn’t get what I wanted so I’ll act like a petulant 2 year old. Have at it ordnance officer. Burn components to your heart’s content. There are very few knowledgeable people that don’t know Hornady has been desperately seeking an alternative to their Hornady Precision loads since Re26 became unobtainable. Very few don’t know their ammo is running 150-200 fps UNDER what it is advertised at when they had access to Re26. Their ball powders they’re using are an attempt to keep accuracy and velocity close to what it was, but it’s well documented that they aren’t anywhere close. And then you, again like a petulant child, fight like a wounded buffalo against anyone disagreeing with you when YOU came asking for advice.

Admit it, you came seeking support for your “idea”. And when you didn’t get it you acted like a dick. So go buy your MagPro and do your thing. Douche.

No shit CPT Obvious. Why do you think it's frustrating to hear every dumbass like you come in here and say RL26? Go troll someone else.