Group Wants to Ban Lion Hunting in Colorado

[Bubblehide]

I don't think her phone was hacked, she published those photos in the public domain. Each and every hunter that does so is responsible when the antis use them to attack us.

Copyright law applies to photos posted on public forums. Photos are not considered public domain, and never have been. That falsehood continues to be perpetuated by an ignorant public. Simply put, the person that took the picture holds copyright. But, the person in the picture is entitled to model fees if publicized. Both could go after anyone using their images without altering them to the legal standard. The copyright holder can demand the pictures be removed.

 

[gbflyer]

Copyright law applies to photos posted on public forums. Photos are not considered public domain, and never have been. That falsehood continues to be perpetuated by an ignorant public. Simply put, the person that took the picture holds copyright. But, the person in the picture is entitled to model fees if publicized. Both could go after anyone using their images without altering them to the legal standard. The copyright holder can demand the pictures be removed.

That’s interesting. I had an author once tell me he and a group of peers got into it with a publisher. The story was long and drawn out but my take away was that just because you say it’s copyrighted, which it is the minute you take it, really doesn’t mean much legally unless you register it with the copyright office. That has a time limit, seems like it was only 3 months after the unauthorized use. Registered before the unauthorized use and you have a case...if you want to pay a retainer to a lawyer to handle it. I could be wrong.

Probably not the case with a happy snap off an iPhone.

Sorry to further derail.

 

[Poser]

That’s interesting. I had an author once tell me he and a group of peers got into it with a publisher. The story was long and drawn out but my take away was that just because you say it’s copyrighted, which it is the minute you take it, really doesn’t mean much legally unless you register it with the copyright office. That has a time limit, seems like it was only 3 months after the unauthorized use. Registered before the unauthorized use and you have a case...if you want to pay a retainer to a lawyer to handle it. I could be wrong.

Probably not the case with a happy snap off an iPhone.

Sorry to further derail.

I qualify this statement by the fact that I have taught copyright law at the university level. The author that told you that was misinformed. Once a work exists in a tangible format (the word tangible is key), be it a recording, on a word document, a piece of paper or a photograph, it is afforded all of the copyright protections of the constitution. Registration guarantees undeniable proof of copyright ownership should the question of ownership arise, however it is not necessary for copyright protections themselves. Few people seem to understand that violating someone’s copyright is violating their constitutional rights.

Generally, photographs are owned by the photographer, however their are exceptions for works of corporate authorship. for example, a photographer’s employer may have a contractual stipulation that they own they copyright to any work that the photographer produces during a contracted period. The same deals between publishers and authors exists as well as between music publishers and songwriters is standard. A songwriter with a publishing deal writes a song and records it on his phone. It is copyrighted since it is documented in a tangible format, however, his publishers owns the copyright due to the terms of their agreement.

 

[Bubblehide]

That’s interesting. I had an author once tell me he and a group of peers got into it with a publisher. The story was long and drawn out but my take away was that just because you say it’s copyrighted, which it is the minute you take it, really doesn’t mean much legally unless you register it with the copyright office. That has a time limit, seems like it was only 3 months after the unauthorized use. Registered before the unauthorized use and you have a case...if you want to pay a retainer to a lawyer to handle it. I could be wrong.

Probably not the case with a happy snap off an iPhone.

Sorry to further derail.

Sorry to say, but you are wrong. No registering of the work is required. Registering the work simply make it simple to find the holder of copyright, thus speed business and protect the parties involved. In this case, a simple take down order from the copyright holder or model should get it removed. But hey, obviously damage to the hunter(s) and hunting community has already been done. I imaging that this would be a slam dunk case. I am surprised that there aren't any hunting organizations or manufactures sponsoring such suits against the anti"s.

 

[gbflyer]

Good info. Thank you.

 

[ColoradoBackpackHunter]

Banning straws takes away money from the CPW?

No. Meeting quotas without the use of hunting is going to be mean hiring shooters to take care of them. CPW has nothing to do with straws....clearly.

 

[Fatcamp]

Sooooo, where does the Colorado chapter of BHA stand on this?

Finding out recently that one of the founders of that chapter was all in on banning spring bear hunting I don't expect to hear much from them.

 

[Poser]

No. Meeting quotas without the use of hunting is going to be mean hiring shooters to take care of them. CPW has nothing to do with straws....clearly.

I just thought the straw remark was odd. As a society, we clearly have a plastic problem and it is clearly effecting wildlife. Plus, what kind of grown ass man drinks out of a straw anyway?

 

[orionthehunter1]

Sooooo, where does the Colorado chapter of BHA stand on this?

Finding out recently that one of the founders of that chapter was all in on banning spring bear hunting I don't expect to hear much from them.

Yeah and knowing Patagonia is funding part of this nonsense and they are in bed with BHA. I doubt BHA will say anything

 

[srfdmatty]

As a large ranch owner in California I agree that every hunter in your state needs to fight this with all you have. The protection of the mountain lion over the past decade in California has decimated the black tail deer on my ranch and in my region. We went from seeing healthy deer in numbers of 20 or so a hunt to almost non-existent. Last season we saw 5 deer all season and 4 cats! Now that the deer are gone they have moved on to the turkeys and wild hogs.
Don't take this threat lightly. Once banned you will never get it changed back. Your game herds will get hit hard. Cats are extremely elusive which is why you don't see them. That doesn't mean that they are endangered. I don't see halibut every day but that's because they live under water and don't want to be seen!
As an avid outdoorsman and hunter I wish every day that I would have taken the threat of outlawing mountain lion hunting seriously and fought the change. Now I have to live with the fact that deer hunting black tail deer will never be the same on my ranch. My kids will never know what deer hunting was like for the previous three generations.
Do everything you can to fight for your rights to continue to hunt mountain lions.

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[Takem]

If all sportsmen don't band together Colorado will suffer the same fate as California. The "it doesn't affect me" mentality of hunters is so disgusting. Fight it with all you've got Colorado.

As a California hunter who spends more time hunting big game in Colorado than California I'd be happy to help. The question is how? I checked out the Sportman Alliance website and they don't have anything up. Who do we have representing hunters against this?

 

[Bowhunter50]

As a California hunter who spends more time hunting big game in Colorado than California I'd be happy to help. The question is how? I checked out the Sportman Alliance website and they don't have anything up. Who do we have representing hunters against this?

This is why I started this thread. You see things like this in the news, but don’t know how to fight it as a hunter. Anyone have any leads?

Colorado is a good state for mule deer and has a lot of opportunity for elk. I would hate to see it go away. Is there some way we could email/send a letter to every hunter that bought/applied for a tag in Colorado last year and let them know what’s going on?

With the draw odds and number of crowds in Colorado, you would think there’s more hunters than members of this society that wants to ban lion hunting.


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[Btaylor]

You start with contacting all of the relevant conservation groups, contact all of your elected officials if you are a resident, contact the elected officials if you are a NR but spend your tourism dollars in the state.

 

[Bowhunter50]

I know about BHA. Any other conservation groups that would be worth contacting?


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[Btaylor]

RMEF would probably be interested.

 

[Bowhunter50]

Great. Thinking about it, I bet the Mule Deer Foundation would be interested as well.

I’m going to reach out to all the groups mentioned. I encourage everyone else to voice their concerns as well. We can’t sit by and watch this happen


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[JWP58]

I know about BHA. Any other conservation groups that would be worth contacting?


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Quite frankly they might be more on the anti cougar (animal) hunting side of the argument.

 

[Fatcamp]

Our local RMEF banquet is coming up. I will seek out active listeners.

 

[Bowhunter50]

Our local RMEF banquet is coming up. I will seek out active listeners.

Thanks. That would be awesome. I really think this is something we need to be proactive about. I know a few states have added the right to hunt as a constitutional right. Perhaps Colorado could do something similar for lions and everything else.

We need to stop being reactive. I don’t think we should wait for them to put this to a vote.


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[Okhotnik]

Sooooo, where does the Colorado chapter of BHA stand on this?

Finding out recently that one of the founders of that chapter was all in on banning spring bear hunting I don't expect to hear much from them.

BHA does not support hunting

Amazing that all the BHA fan boys don't already know this

Spend your money elsewhere