Grizzly fatal attack at glacier and another attack at Yellowstone

[mike.adams.467]

There was a third attack near Cave Falls, Idaho, on Saturday. Father and son were black bear hunting and the bear charged them even though they saw it first and tried to drive it away. Dad killed it at 5 yards. Story on IDFG website.

 

[Buglebrush]

There was a third attack near Cave Falls, Idaho, on Saturday. Father and son were black bear hunting and the bear charged them even though they saw it first and tried to drive it away. Dad killed it at 5 yards. Story on IDFG website.

I read that. Wild encounter! That bear was on a mission to get them and almost did! There's probably three charges where the bear is shot and doesn't get reported for every one that does.

 

[eddielasvegas]

There was a third attack near Cave Falls, Idaho, on Saturday. Father and son were black bear hunting and the bear charged them even though they saw it first and tried to drive it away. Dad killed it at 5 yards. Story on IDFG website.

Link HERE.


Eddie

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Damn that bear was on a mission! I’d love to know if any of his side arm rounds connected before he killed it with his rifle at 5 yards…

 

[2ski]

With it being August, I figure safety in numbers, but then again, when we were hiking in YNP and the Tetons, it was always early in the AM, so 75% of the time we were alone. That was planned, I hated tourist when I'm on vacations, haha!

On a serious note, I'll be carrying my stone glacier pack hunting pack when hiking. It's a bit over kill, but it's so comfortable and I'll be prepping for fall elk as well. As a ski patroller on the east coast, I tend to carry a bit of extra stuff (first aid, SAM splint, tourniquet, Israel bandage, etc.) as a habit, so a bigger pack is ok. What I'm trying to figure out, is how to carry concealed, but accessible with my pack on.

When I fished Alaska way back when, I had a chest holster for my S&W 29.

As has been mentioned I'll throw another vote in for the Hill People Gear Kit Bag. It plus a backpack are really comfortable.

Maybe this was mentioned, but it sounds like both mauling victims had and possibly deployed bear spray. No way in the world I'm carrying spray over my 10mm

I had not heard nor seen that so question where that info is coming from. But if so and they didn't have time to deploy spray from where holstered(if it was easily accessible) a gun isn't going to be more useful. You can shoot spray from the hip, not a gun. Did they just have spray or was spray deployed? I see alot of mm misinformation by people that don't know shit from shinola. Not saying you're one just to be clear. I heard someone say they had seen peopke pepper sprayed and fight through it so they wouldn't trust bear spray on a bear. A drug-addled person hopped up on who knows what with a humans sense of smell and lower capsacin vs something that has a way better smell than a dog and exponentially more capsacin.

Also, the folks advocating for a high capacity 9mm, something is better than nothing. But how many rounds do you think you have time to get off against a charging bear? You ain't emptying 15 rounds. I carry a 10 and would personally rather carry the S&W 44mag on the scandy frame. I personally don't l9ve how my G20 fits in my hand. The slide of that semi auto will not be all the way forward if you have to shove the muzzle into a bear on top of you, if your argument for more rounds is that. It won't fire that way.

As with anything, 9mm, 10mm, 44mag, 45LC, 454, or spray, people need to practice. Especially just drawing what you carry from where you carry it. I have a P365 and a 629 that I also carey. The 629 is very different in the hand than the 365. So I practiced drawing both to were muscle memory puts my hand in the correct position on both.

 

[dgfavor]

I carry a 10 and would personally rather carry the S&W 44mag on the scandy frame

I carry S&W 44mag N frame Mtn Gun...it will probably be found in the holster on my bino harness when they recover my body.

I also have heard/read/rumored bear spray in both those encounters but not from any news media or from anyone with first hand knowledge.

 

[ckt3]

What size do you guys like for the Hill People Gear Kit Bag? I’ve been thinking about getting one for hikes. The medium looks like a good size for concealing up to a full size pistol? The full size looks yuge

 

[sierracharlie338]

What size do you guys like for the Hill People Gear Kit Bag? I’ve been thinking about getting one for hikes. The medium looks like a good size for concealing up to a full size pistol? The full size looks yuge

Depends on gun size.

I run the recon and it fits a full size S&W 10mm.

They make the snubby bag for smaller frame guns if you want a smaller footprint.

 

[Dioni A]

Do people really want to take the time to unzip a bag to pull their gun out? You'd be lucky to draw and get s first round off in 6 seconds.

 

[One300wsm]

I carry a Glock 19 9mm Gen 6 with 16 rds of Buffalo Bore 9MM +P OUTDOORSMAN
147gr. Hard Cast FN. very shootable, low recoil and user friendly.

 

[ckt3]

Do people really want to take the time to unzip a bag to pull their gun out? You'd be lucky to draw and get s first round off in 6 seconds.

There are scenarios where I think it makes sense. Lower visibility than OWB/chest holster but more comfortable than IWB. Family hiking or camping in popular areas come to mind.

 

[BLJ]

There are scenarios where I think it makes sense. Lower visibility than OWB/chest holster but more comfortable than IWB. Family hiking or camping in popular areas come to mind.

Agree with that.
In places like Glacier and Yellowstone I’m good with no one knowing but me.

 

[MTRaine]

I see alot of mm misinformation by people that don't know shit from shinola. Not saying you're one just to be clear. I heard someone say they had seen peopke pepper sprayed and fight through it so they wouldn't trust bear spray on a bear. A drug-addled person hopped up on who knows what with a humans sense of smell and lower capsacin vs something that has a way better smell than a dog and exponentially more capsacin.

I want to meet the person who said they saw a person overpower bear spray as well as the person who "fought through it".
WHY? you ask? so I can lock them in a room with a big glass window and deploy a can and watch from a safe sealed location. Then eat popcorn and take notes, you know for sciences sake.

A few years ago I exploded a can in my apartment in mid January, it was a total freak accident.
Even with both doors open you couldn't walk in the door and make it 3ft. I left both door wide open for over an hour and went to go get PPE and cleaning supplies from work.
Went back in with goggles and a respirator and even still could tell the air "wasn't good". Place wasn't inhabitable for 3 days AFTER I went in and cleaned it up. Could still tell it was in the air a little bit 5-7 days after it happened.
My girlfriend was PISSED. Just one more thing to add to the load of straws on the camels back leading to me being single again Personally I found it rather comical a couple weeks later, and really laugh about it now. So when people question how well it works I shudder and giggle a little. Maybe bears can overpower it but I question a human...
Morale of the story if you value your health and relationship. Don't deploy a can of bear spray in a confined space...

 

[eddielasvegas]

I want to meet the person who said they saw a person overpower bear spray as well as the person who "fought through it".
WHY? you ask? so I can lock them in a room with a big glass window and deploy a can and watch from a safe sealed location. Then eat popcorn and take notes, you know for sciences sake.

A few years ago I exploded a can in my apartment in mid January, it was a total freak accident.
Even with both doors open you couldn't walk in the door and make it 3ft. I left both door wide open for over an hour and went to go get PPE and cleaning supplies from work.
Went back in with goggles and a respirator and even still could tell the air "wasn't good". Place wasn't inhabitable for 3 days AFTER I went in and cleaned it up. Could still tell it was in the air a little bit 5-7 days after it happened.
My girlfriend was PISSED. Just one more thing to add to the load of straws on the camels back leading to me being single again Personally I found it rather comical a couple weeks later, and really laugh about it now. So when people question how well it works I shudder and giggle a little. Maybe bears can overpower it but I question a human...
Morale of the story if you value your health and relationship. Don't deploy a can of bear spray in a confined space...

Funny story and deets on how one comes to explode a can of pepper spray indoors?

Also, about 10% of animals (like bears and humans) are unaffected by pepper spray.

On a related topic, all animals are affected by lead poisoning.


Eddie

 

[Rckymtnshooter]

I've been following local news articles from the Glacier attack. Park service states that a canister of bear spray was found near the scene. Park personel were trying to determine if the can belonged to the victim. The victims father made a statement that park personnel believed that the victim used the bear spray because it was quite "odorous" at the scene. I have yet to see an article where the park service has followed up on the bear spray. Almost appears they want to avoid saying spray was used and failed to stop the attack.

On another note. I was in a chemical munitions class where we took a direct shot of pepper spray to the face and then had to maneuver an obstacle course. Everyone in the class completed the obstacle course so you can fight through it.