Grizzly bear attack in Montana

[wind gypsy]

Seems reasonable in concept, but man, if somebody told me they juked out a grizzly bear I would probably have a hard time not laughing.

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[OXN939]

I very much doubt anything but a head/spine shot from a pistol is going to absolutely keep a bear on a charge inside 10 yards from getting at least 1 bite in if it so desires..

What do you mean, dude? You don't think that guy could assess the threat, draw, fire and place a round perfectly through the moving CNS of a charging grizzly reliably in the amount of time it would take said animal to cover a few yards?

 

[Laramie]

I prefer a firearm over spray. Neither is likely to save you in a surprise attack. Many people that are attacked just don't see it coming in reasonable reaction time. I really hope I never have to find out if I am good enough or fast enough in one of those situations.

 

[jmez]

What do you mean, dude? You don't think that guy could assess the threat, draw, fire and place a round perfectly through the moving CNS of a charging grizzly reliably in the amount of time it would take said animal to cover a few yards?

On the internet, absolutely. Visions of grandeur abound.

 

[jmez]

Just for fun. There is some evidence that if a large enough high velocity bullet strikes the chest cavity at the peak of ventricular systole the pressure wave can be transmitted to the brain causing massive destruction of brain tissue. So, a chest shot could provide an instant stop, but not through a method that is under the control of the shooter. As such, a central nervous system or high spinal cord hit would be the only reliable method.

Sorry, I could not help myself. I also agree with you regarding the original story.

Most guys odds on hitting the chest at the exact moment of peak ventricular systole are about on par with hitting the CNS on a charging bear.

 

[ClearCreek]

Then there is the story of a grizzly bear that was hit in the skull with a large caliber handgun bullet. The bullet penetrated the skin but not the skull and stayed under the skin as it followed the skull up over the head and lodged under the skin behind the head. in the neck area. The wound infected and swelled, causing a large abscess.

The bear roamed around the area for some time, but I am not sure if had to be put down or not.



ClearCreek

 

[wind gypsy]

Then there is the story of a grizzly bear that was hit in the skull with a large caliber handgun bullet. The bullet penetrated the skin but not the skull and stayed under the skin as it followed the skull up over the head and lodged under the skin behind the head. in the neck area. The wound infected and swelled, causing a large abscess.

The bear roamed around the area for some time, but I am not sure if had to be put down or not.



ClearCreek

Link?

 

[ClearCreek]

Link?

This never was "published".

ClearCreek

 

[Pelagic]

Anybody know what the protocol is as far as the aftermath of shooting a grizzly? I am assuming there would be an investigation done to make sure you did it under threat of life/limb, etc., and am assuming your hunt would be over at that point. But would you be able to travel back home in a day or 2? How would you prove the grizzly was charging, and how far away he was when you shot him?

I've heard some stories of the process being pretty grueling for the person who had to defend themselves, but wondering if anybody knows of someone who had to go through it.

 

[Will_m]

For all those that say a CNS shot is nigh impossible, you may want to rethink. It's snap shooting, for sure, but snap shooting can be very consistent with practice.

It wouldn't take an obscene amount of ammunition to develop the ability to consistently break a hand thrown glass bottle with a pistol. Try it and see. Granted, there's the element of surprise, but this is present no matter the means of protection.

That being said, buying a handgun and running 50 rounds through it for practice does not make you proficient with it, especially not as primary means of bear defense. The typical guy would be better off throwing it at the bear.

OR you can also apparently give the bear the ol' juke move. If that's not good enough you can just ride the bear and break him like a horse. Basically this (except not a buffalo, of course):

 

[Beendare]

Anybody know what the protocol is as far as the aftermath of shooting a grizzly?

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I know a few guys that shot G bears in AK...and its a rigorous process. For example; the one case on Kodiak the F&G held them in Anchorage, spit the group up to check validity of the stories, while the F&G flew to the site, caped the bear and came back....a couple day ordeal with missed flights and such.

The F&G told them if there would have been one hole in the hind end...they were in trouble....there wasn't.

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[Laramie]

I believe the average protocol/aftermath after shooting a grizzly is very short. It just never makes the news... or across the desk of any F&G employee.

 

[FLAK]

Go to the BuffaloBore Website and see how that guy feels about Squirrely bears, I feel the same.

 

[WCB]

This is obviously a never ending debate....I don't think spray is absolutely useless and guns are 100% effective and I don't believe it to be the other way either. But it is kind of funny all the guys stating most people are not proficient enough with a gun are assuming people are also practicing with spray to unholster, pull the tab, and know the distance to spray it. Also guess what doesn't come in to play with a firearm at close range...WIND. Take a look at the videos from the riots the past few months when the cops didn't figure wind into the situation...they basically sprayed themselves.

Again I think there are places for both and anyone that says one is the only way is just plain wrong. My opinion is if I can see the threat/bear and it is coming I'd rather have a gun...If i get surprised by it it really doesn't matter at that point.

 

[Squamch]

I believe the average protocol/aftermath after shooting a grizzly is very short. It just never makes the news... or across the desk of any F&G employee.

I have heard it is a very ssshort process in Northern BC these days.

 

[Deplorable77]

If you don't want to be treated like a criminal, don't report a justified bear shooting to F&G. Same goes for wolves in certain areas. SSS, and carry on about your day

 

[Rob5589]

Hopefully it never happens but, I don't expect to wait until a bear is 10 yds away from me before drawing my weapon. The big difference between a gun and spray; one seems to be good for only about 30 feet; the other is good for a great deal further. Stay safe out there.

 

[wind gypsy]

If you don't want to be treated like a criminal, don't report a justified bear shooting to F&G. Same goes for wolves in certain areas. SSS, and carry on about your day

So if you don't want to be treated like a criminal, you should commit crimes. Gotcha

 

[AKBorn]

Do you think the outcome would have been Different if they had used a pistol or other weapon? What do you think the statistical likelihood is of hitting the bear “in the dome” at adrenaline is coursing through you with an apex predator bearing down on you?

The person didn’t get tackled and get bit across the face. So I’d say the bear spray worked. He/she is alive.

I think the outcome had a very good chance of being different. with a firearm. Reread the story - this wasn't a surprise attack, the employee saw 2 bears at a distance. One bear went the other way, one came at the employee. I assume that the employee only waited to deploy the spray at 10 yards because they knew the spray is useless any further than that. With a firearm, I would assume the employee might start firing at 20 or 25 yards. I'll take my chances at hitting a bear at that distance, and getting a 2nd shot off as well, over waiting until it's 10 yards away and praying that the spray is effective.

 

[Opah]

How do you tell a man eating grizzly from their droppings ?
The strong odor of Pepper !
I believe one of the super loud aerosol can horns would work better than Pepper spray.
a hand gun only good for the Bang unless it is of large enough caliber to anchor the bear at 15 / 20 yards.
What I do know is I never go into the forest, woods, desert, swap lake or ocean without protection