GRITTY - FILM PERMITS - YOUR THOUGHTS?

[RaggedHunter]

I think it's stupid that we have to have a form 4 ATF background check and pay $200 for a tax stamp and wait 9+ months just to buy a suppressor.. But if someone were to cut corners, and obtain one without doing all of that, and the feds showed up at their door, would we expect them to get off easy just because they were playing stupid or claiming innocence simply because you don't agree with the law, or because they were complaining that obtaining the permits takes too long and is too big of a hassle? I see no difference here, other than one would be in a lot more trouble for the suppressor than for filming without a permit.

In my opinion, "Gritty" needs to live up to the name he gave himself, and get some grit, face the consequences. For a guy who calls himself "gritty" he sure doesn't have much of said grit.

 

[dreamingbig]

Bunch of keyboard warriors on here. Changes are coming. This latest court ruling will drive change. If you want it to stay the same call or email your representative and senators. Bitching, whining or name calling on this thread won’t drive change. But hey maybe it makes you feel better.


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[Elkdreamer]

Cry a river. Bottom line. My business follows all the rules and laws or I get shut down/fined. I have no sympathy for anything that is not above board. Take it or leave it.

 

[sneaky]

I'll take a stab at it......From what i can find, it costs an outfitter 3% of their adjusted gross revenue to use national forest land. So let's say an average guided elk hunt is 5k in Idaho. The outfitter would owe $150 per paid hunt he takes out. I would say that is small change in the grand scheme of costs. Brian would have to pay a $10 fee per day he uses public land. It seems like most of his hunts are 10 days, and I'm going to guess that he averages 80 days of hunting/filming a year for a total of $800. Still not a huge sum of money in the grand scheme of things. The only issue i see is that the process/way the law is written and enforced is absolute garbage. I don't think Brian is "blowing out public land". He rarely even says what state he is hunting. Does he market products....yes....but in my opinion does it subtly. If you're upset about brian, born and raised, and hushin "exploiting" public land, hop on over to patagonia and rei and see what their business model is based around. Their whole business model is getting out and hiking ON PUBLIC LAND. Hunters have so little impact on public land and the destruction to habitat compared to your everyday thru-hiker. It seems like your issue lies in more hunters getting into "backcountry" hunting. Look at the amount of views Brians videos get....then go look at Darwin on the trail. Brian has 6 million views vs darwin on the trail having 33 million. You think darwin on the trail is pulling permits in order to hike the whole PCT?( It averages 150 days to do, so $1500 to film and monetize it)....i highly doubt it. Do you think the USFS is going after all these "thru-hikers" and outdoor companies who film on public land....again, I doubt it. Should he have gotten the permits....yeah sure.....is it dumb that someone has to pay in order to self film a hunt....yes. Again, it seems like your issue is not the permits, but these guys getting more and more people out into the backcountry.

Film permits are $250 per day. You guessed wrong

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[Elkdreamer]

Film permits are $250 per day. You guessed wrong

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So budget it into the cost of doing business. I do it every year. No excuse.

 

[sneaky]

So budget it into the cost of doing business. I do it every year. No excuse.

Outfitters don't pay $250/ day for guiding. Neither do fishing guides, hikers, etc. Just those who film.

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[sneaky]

The most interesting part of this is who turned him in....

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[Elkdreamer]

Then the guys doing film need to budget it in.

 

[Elkdreamer]

The most interesting part of this is who turned him in....

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I`m a handle it internally kind of guy. However, who turned him in does not matter. He should know and follow the rules.

 

[archp625]

The most interesting part of this is who turned him in....

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Who turned him in?

 

[Dos Perros]

I don't think anyone is saying keep regs the same. I think people are suggesting following the current regulations until they can be updated. Several people here agreed with an earlier post of mine that permits should be required but also easy to get. Of course it should be easy to follow the law.

 

[ttucci16]

Cry a river. Bottom line. My business follows all the rules and laws or I get shut down/fined. I have no sympathy for anything that is not above board. Take it or leave it.

Would you be saying the same thing if an inspector said everything is above board, and then two years later a different inspector comes along and says " Nope, you're all jacked up, and the last guy you talked too doesn't matter, oh, and everything you've done for the past two years needs to be removed and we won't retroacively give you a permit, BUT we're not going to charge you a fine now" I'm willing to bet the powerball you would be lawyering up and "Crying that river" some people are talking about.

 

[Elkdreamer]

Would you be saying the same thing if an inspector said everything is above board, and then two years later a different inspector comes along and says " Nope, you're all jacked up, and the last guy you talked too doesn't matter, oh, and everything you've done for the past two years needs to be removed and we won't retroacively give you a permit, BUT we're not going to charge you a fine now" I'm willing to bet the powerball you would be lawyering up and "Crying that river" some people are talking about.

I have lived this. Guess what. I maned up and fixed it because I had to. I cant cry on the internet for help. Nobody gives a shit about my trouble but I still pay.

 

[ttucci16]

I have lived this. Guess what. I maned up and fixed it because I had to. I cant cry on the internet for help.

I applaud your gumption. The issue is that he can't fix it. They won't let him reapply for the permits in order for him to publish the videos in order to increase access to his "Brand" There is zero winning in this situation for him. I applaud him for bringing the issue to light and hopefully everyone is more informed of the issues with permits and filming on public land. I find it wild that he is getting blasted for this.

 

[Elkdreamer]

You can fix anything. It is just the price might be more than your willing to pay. My troubles with permit or inspections are not my clients problem and should not cost them anything financial or mental.

 

[Elkdreamer]

BTW I am not blasting him. If he stood up for what is the right thing we would not be here talking about him.

 

[dreamingbig]

So budget it into the cost of doing business. I do it every year. No excuse.

I agree. However, I don’t agree with the discretionary enforcement. It isn’t fair. Hold everyone to this or no one.

Disclaimer - I will never be filming a hunt or posting a video online.


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[Elkdreamer]

I agree. However, I don’t agree with the discretionary enforcement. It isn’t fair. Hold everyone to this or no one.

Disclaimer - I will never be filming a hunt or posting a video online.


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Very true. However, budgeting for it would still help a lot.

I would never let these guys see my hunting spot either. Most of them are way to good of hunters.

 

[mcfd45]

How many times do we have to pay to use our lands? Excise taxes, income taxes, fuel taxes, recreation passports, etc.
Not gonna give a big shit about filming permits.
Our 1st amendment is applied here. You have the right to record a cop, you have the right to record the land that we collectively own.

the only reason I could see needing a permit for public land filming is for large operations that could harm the environment due to the size of the workforce. Three guys tramping up a hillside does not meet that criteria.

 

[Elkdreamer]

How many times do we have to pay to use our lands? Excise taxes, income taxes, fuel taxes, recreation passports, etc.
Not gonna give a big shit about filming permits.
Our 1st amendment is applied here. You have the right to record a cop, you have the right to record the land that we collectively own.

the only reason I could see needing a permit for public land filming is for large operations that could harm the environment due to the size of the workforce. Three guys tramping up a hillside does not meet that criteria.

So how do you determine over use? Is it 1 guy making money off our lands or a train of guys doing the same?