Governor Tags - Deer, Elk, etc.

[WRO]

They are obviously not the only options. Do you know the answer to my question?

Depends on a lot of factors. Gov tags generally do from what I’ve read.

 

[WRO]

How about a 1/8th percent sales tax that goes to conservation. Why are those the only two options?

Great idea, you want every Subaru driving shitbird to have a financial seat at the table? Not to mention name a state that can actually manage its own budget well..


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[jayhawk]

I understand and empathize with both sides of this issue. If you can sacrifice 1 or 2 governor tags for 10x or 20x the money for conservation, then you might call that a win. Makes sense, economically.

However, I have personally seen landowner tags and farmers cornfields become commodities that go to the highest bidder, and push out anyone who doesn't have the money. Doctors and lawyers and such from Denver offering $40,000/year to waterfowl hunt in eastern CO, or billionaires from WY buying landowner tags in Nebraska for $90,000, and it prices everyone else out. Can't blame the farmers though, I'd probably do the same thing in their position. This is all becoming common and normalized.

It becomes an issue of the "haves and have nots". It's not a problem when 1 or 2 tags are on the line, or 1 or 2 farmers fields. But what happens when when people see dollar signs and 50tags or fields are up for the auction, or 100 and on and on.

That's what concerns me for the future of this activity. It's not 1 or 2 governor tags. It's the trajectory that monetizing this activity creates for us and our children in 20-30 years

 

[realunlucky]

What generates more money for a given state's conservation program, raffling a "super tag" or auctioning off a "governor's tag"?

Look at Arizona as the will of the people did away with auction tags and moved to a raffle system.

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[WRO]

Look at Arizona as the will of the people did away with auction tags and moved to a raffle system.

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They always had both until last year, AZ could have twice the elk it has if the land owners were allowed to make a little revenue off them. Instead they’re murdered on an industrial scale in any unit that doesn’t have national forest.

 

[Hide Hunter]

Great idea, you want every Subaru driving shitbird to have a financial seat at the table? Not to mention name a state that can actually manage its own budget well..


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Everyone already has a seat at the table. Everyone votes, anyone can attend comission meetings. This argument went from "we have to allow rich people to buy tags because it's better for the resource." To "why do we care what's better for the resource, I don't want a soccer mom paying to help wildlife." I care about the resource and the best way to take care of the resource is through a new funding model.

 

[Hide Hunter]

Look at Arizona as the will of the people did away with auction tags and moved to a raffle system.

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I would love to support Arizona's decision. I strongly support this. Sadly you have to be in the state to purchase tickets. One year I will there and spend so much money on these raffle tickets.

 

[WRO]

Everyone already has a seat at the table. Everyone votes, anyone can attend comission meetings. This argument went from "we have to allow rich people to buy tags because it's better for the resource." To "why do we care what's better for the resource, I don't want a soccer mom paying to help wildlife." I care about the resource and the best way to take care of the resource is through a new funding model.

You’re entitled to your opinion, if you ask the average hunter if he cares about sheep restoration, they don’t. Asking them to pay more to even support their local biologists, and they’ll cry about how it’s a rich man’s sport etc at a 2.00 tag increase.

Right now, no matter what you want to believe, in most states fish and games voices that they listen to are ranchers, sportsmen, and other consumptive uses.

Most states the money from auction tags goes to the species or ah&e programs, besides your feelings, how do these tags negatively affect you?

Fish and wildfire funding is at the lowest priority for nearly every states general fund. Even if it was earmarked, somehow they’d end up using it to fund the homeless, gay pride rallies, or some other stupid stuff. We can’t get schools and roads paid for, somehow you think we’ll get priority funding for dfws..

 

[Hide Hunter]

You’re entitled to your opinion, if you ask the average hunter if he cares about sheep restoration, they don’t. Asking them to pay more to even support their local biologists, and they’ll cry about how it’s a rich man’s sport etc at a 2.00 tag increase.

Right now, no matter what you want to believe, in most states fish and games voices that they listen to are ranchers, sportsmen, and other consumptive uses.

Most states the money from auction tags goes to the species or ah&e programs, besides your feelings, how do these tags negatively affect you?

They affect my feelings. The same way your feelings are affected by the public having a financial impact to the resource.

And actually a won a raffle tag this year. I have been a strong proponent of raffling tags instead of auctioning them so that rednecks like me have a chance. I wouldn't be planning the best elk hunt of my life if this tag wasn't raffled.

 

[WRO]

They affect my feelings. The same way your feelings are affected by the public having a financial impact to the resource.

And actually a won a raffle tag this year. I have been a strong proponent of raffling tags instead of auctioning them so that rednecks like me have a chance. I wouldn't be planning the best elk hunt of my life if this tag wasn't raffled.

The average raffle tags are won by the same guys that buy auction tags.

Congratulations and I’ve had a couple buddies get them as well with small entries, but by and large they won by the same people many times year in year out.