Generator Powered Heat Sources

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Headed out for a late fall, cold weather hunt in mid November. Going to be a “camp at the truck” type of deal. There will be 3 of us. We plan to camp in my insulated ice fishing hub shelter. Ideally avoiding propane heat sources. I’ve got a generator that I’d like to use to power a safer, drier heat. Google recommends “oil filled radiator heaters” , which appear to be nothing more than a heater you’d plug in to the wall in your home. Any experience using them camping? Or any other ideas?
 
No experience camping with electric heaters, but just keep this in mind. All of them are exactly the same efficiency. The only way you'll get any more efficiency is with a heat pump. So spending more money on a fancier heater won't get you any more heat than the cheapest little blower style or whatever.
 
I got a small 500W heater I can power with my super quiet 1000W generator. Little generator will run for about 8 hours on a tank of gas. Does well in small enclosures. If you take a larger generator, I'd go up to a 1000W heater.
 
No experience camping with electric heaters, but just keep this in mind. All of them are exactly the same efficiency. The only way you'll get any more efficiency is with a heat pump. So spending more money on a fancier heater won't get you any more heat than the cheapest little blower style or whatever.
This. Put in technical terms, what makes you warm is BTU's/hr. Say you need 20,000 BTU's/hr to heat some arbitrary camper space. Propane contains ~21,500 BTU per pound. Assuming no efficiency loss (and there always is), a 20lb cylinder will heat that space for 21.5hrs (21500*20 / 20000, the math just happens to work out neatly here that's all).

Now consider electric. 1 watt is 3.41 BTU, so you would need to produce ~5900 watts to run an electric heater to produce the same heat. And it's actually far worse because a gas generator -> its AC output -> the heater will have more losses - most generators are only around 20% efficient, so multiply that by 5 and suddenly you need a 25kW generator just to get by. It doesn't matter whether you have a direct radiant electric heater or an oil-filled one. The oil filled ones just store some heat so after they're shut off they keep warming a room. The heat that went into the oil still came from the same source - it doesn't put out MORE heat, it just stores some for later.

Electric is just about the worst way to heat any space unless it's literally your only option or you have a special case (like in-floor radiant, which still isn't that great). It's not that the heaters are actually all that bad - they're pretty close to 100% efficient, actually, because literally all they're doing is converting angry pixies to heat. What they lose goes to making the filament red which is why they glow. They're just crappy light bulbs.

If you want something efficient and simple, stick with a Mr Buddy or anything in propane land. If moisture is your main concern, look into diesel heaters. They're incredibly efficient, sip fuel, and put out very dry air because of how they're designed. They're cheap, too. They do take power but just to run their fans and glow plugs while starting, so even a modest sized 12V car battery can run one for a week or more. No generator required.

Anyone else camped near you will thank you.
 
Yeah those diesel heaters are great. I got one on a whim and used it for what might be a surprising use case. We had our cistern freeze over last winter because I had opened it to do some maintenance but got sick before I could complete it, and didn't get it closed before a cold snap. We had about 1.5" of ice and in a 4'x8' tank that's a lot of ice to melt. You don't let sunshine into cisterns unless you want bacteria/algae to grow so it was going to be months until warmer weather before outside air alone would handle it, and even a 1500W stock tank deicer barely made a dent.

I rigged up one of those little backpack-size diesel heaters on the ground next to it and fired it up, then run a 3" flex hose into the cistern's top port. Cranked it to max and in about 6 hours the cistern was ice free. I ran the whole thing off a small Harbor Freight battery, the 10Ah model I think. Needless to say I'm a big fan of them now. I'm thinking of converting my camper furnace over because even though it already has a propane unit, the diesel heater is actually smaller and since my truck runs on diesel I always have that fuel around. They're insanely efficient - I doubt I used more than a pint defrosting my cistern...

The only thing I would say for a camping scenario is their "installation" is a little heavy on parts count. Most kits come with all kinds of stuff you have to bolt on like fresh air intakes, exhaust/muffler setups, the heat vent pipe, battery, etc. You're expected to handle that yourself with these things. I plan to build a small box for mine to live in so I can make it more of a finished unit that I can move around all as one piece.
 
 
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