Form struck someone’s nerve

[UngulateGuardian797]

Hey guys weighing in here. I am working on a plan to get myself on JVB’s podcast to argue where I’m coming from / share my experiences and then vice versa for him to come and argue his points on ours. I think that will be a very good platform for both parties to discuss their viewpoints.

Admittedly this is all fun for me, everything kills and can kill well in the right hands. The shooter, way more than not, is going to be the limiting factor. Place any bullet into the vitals of any animal and it will die very quickly.

The entire point of doing the original podcast with Form was to become better informed and discuss potential ways we can become even more efficient and ethical hunters. We are debating not between black and white facts but gray areas that take nuanced thinking to decipher what is best over a large sample size. Not just one off, cherry picked examples.

My general philosophy is the Hunter / the shooter is almost always the problem whether that’s archery, rifles etc. and if we can find ways to make more accurate shots, more animals will die quickly and cleanly. A big problem is getting someone to even admit that they don’t shoot heavy recoiling rifles as well as lighter recoiling ones. You have to step aside from pride / emotion and just look at facts.

After his last podcast, that did piss me off. The first 10 minutes where he talks about how the 6 Creed performance was for us this season, the shots we took and their accuracy is at best extreme exaggeration and worst him just outright lying and distorting the facts. We killed 2 giant bodied Caribou and a 66” and 68” Bull Moose with extreme effectiveness. He tried to walk it back a little saying something along the lines of “maybe I got it wrong” but to even make public statements about how something happened with very little knowledge is highly irresponsible. Not something I could ever imagine doing on a podcast that goes out to thousands of listeners. It was frankly disgusting. I will address that as the very first topic when we chat.

I am confident by the end of both discussions he will at the very least have to admit smaller calibers, in the hands of an ethical and smart hunter, can and are extremely effective at killing large game.

Steve

A little fuel for the fire. Photo attached of the 66” Bull Moose front shoulder Justin shot at 404 yards. The 108 “just barely” got through the bone . This is just one random, cherry picked sample based on a real experience and maybe would never happen again but it absolutely destroyed a 3/4 thick bone and shattered it into pieces. Damage beyond the bone was indecipherable. There was nothing but mush all the way into the heart and lungs. Once I deboned it I tried to get all the parts / fragments back together to take this photo.

Steve, thanks for dropping in and giving your thoughts on this.

The thing that pissed me off the most was how he says that you guys are inexperienced hunters when you guys are harvesting quite a few animals each year!

Don’t forget to mention your piss any little cartridges when you talk to him!

 

[UngulateGuardian797]

Reduces authority as well

 

[steelheadmike]

Hey guys weighing in here. I am working on a plan to get myself on JVB’s podcast to argue where I’m coming from / share my experiences and then vice versa for him to come and argue his points on ours. I think that will be a very good platform for both parties to discuss their viewpoints.

Admittedly this is all fun for me, everything kills and can kill well in the right hands. The shooter, way more than not, is going to be the limiting factor. Place any bullet into the vitals of any animal and it will die very quickly.

The entire point of doing the original podcast with Form was to become better informed and discuss potential ways we can become even more efficient and ethical hunters. We are debating not between black and white facts but gray areas that take nuanced thinking to decipher what is best over a large sample size. Not just one off, cherry picked examples.

My general philosophy is the Hunter / the shooter is almost always the problem whether that’s archery, rifles etc. and if we can find ways to make more accurate shots, more animals will die quickly and cleanly. A big problem is getting someone to even admit that they don’t shoot heavy recoiling rifles as well as lighter recoiling ones. You have to step aside from pride / emotion and just look at facts.

After his last podcast, that did piss me off. The first 10 minutes where he talks about how the 6 Creed performance was for us this season, the shots we took and their accuracy is at best extreme exaggeration and worst him just outright lying and distorting the facts. We killed 2 giant bodied Caribou and a 66” and 68” Bull Moose with extreme effectiveness. He tried to walk it back a little saying something along the lines of “maybe I got it wrong” but to even make public statements about how something happened with very little knowledge is highly irresponsible. Not something I could ever imagine doing on a podcast that goes out to thousands of listeners. It was frankly disgusting. I will address that as the very first topic when we chat.

I am confident by the end of both discussions he will at the very least have to admit smaller calibers, in the hands of an ethical and smart hunter, can and are extremely effective at killing large game.

Steve

A little fuel for the fire. Photo attached of the 66” Bull Moose front shoulder Justin shot at 404 yards. The 108 “just barely” got through the bone . This is just one random, cherry picked sample based on a real experience and maybe would never happen again but it absolutely destroyed a 3/4 thick bone and shattered it into pieces. Damage beyond the bone was indecipherable. There was nothing but mush all the way into the heart and lungs. Once I deboned it I tried to get all the parts / fragments back together to take this photo.

Good on you Steve. I hope you guys can offer a rebuttal to him because it seems like he won’t address any of those points on his own podcast.

Now, if you could just figure out a way to appeal to guys who work with their bodies for a living


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[JohnJohnson]

Has Form stated he was in the special forces? I don't recall reading or hearing that anywhere. But jvb said he doubts Form served in that capacity.

The fact he even thinks it matters whether someone was in the special forces shows he doesn't even know how to think critically. Why would he think that's relevant?

Maybe Form needs to reveal his identity with a picture of himself wearing a bigger/dumber hat and that'd be sufficient authority.

 

[Billy Goat]

@S&S ARCHERY while you have him on the podcast, could you get clarity on the gotta push them to keep them bleeding approach to trailing?


Seems that might be a secret family tactic.

 

[hunterjmj]

This latest podcast was tough to listen to. The dude is dug in and doubt he'll open his mind to different ideas. Why he's taking such a stand is beyond me. Wonder what his Rokslide screen name is.

 

[hunterjmj]

@S&S ARCHERY while you have him on the podcast, could you get clarity on the gotta push them to keep them bleeding approach to trailing?


Seems that might be a secret family tactic.

I'd like to hear his thoughts on that as well.

 

[HighUintas]

Hey guys weighing in here. I am working on a plan to get myself on JVB’s podcast to argue where I’m coming from / share my experiences and then vice versa for him to come and argue his points on ours. I think that will be a very good platform for both parties to discuss their viewpoints.

Admittedly this is all fun for me, everything kills and can kill well in the right hands. The shooter, way more than not, is going to be the limiting factor. Place any bullet into the vitals of any animal and it will die very quickly.

The entire point of doing the original podcast with Form was to become better informed and discuss potential ways we can become even more efficient and ethical hunters. We are debating not between black and white facts but gray areas that take nuanced thinking to decipher what is best over a large sample size. Not just one off, cherry picked examples.

My general philosophy is the Hunter / the shooter is almost always the problem whether that’s archery, rifles etc. and if we can find ways to make more accurate shots, more animals will die quickly and cleanly. A big problem is getting someone to even admit that they don’t shoot heavy recoiling rifles as well as lighter recoiling ones. You have to step aside from pride / emotion and just look at facts.

After his last podcast, that did piss me off. The first 10 minutes where he talks about how the 6 Creed performance was for us this season, the shots we took and their accuracy is at best extreme exaggeration and worst him just outright lying and distorting the facts. We killed 2 giant bodied Caribou and a 66” and 68” Bull Moose with extreme effectiveness. He tried to walk it back a little saying something along the lines of “maybe I got it wrong” but to even make public statements about how something happened with very little knowledge is highly irresponsible. Not something I could ever imagine doing on a podcast that goes out to thousands of listeners. It was frankly disgusting. I will address that as the very first topic when we chat.

I am confident by the end of both discussions he will at the very least have to admit smaller calibers, in the hands of an ethical and smart hunter, can and are extremely effective at killing large game.

Steve

A little fuel for the fire. Photo attached of the 66” Bull Moose front shoulder Justin shot at 404 yards. The 108 “just barely” got through the bone . This is just one random, cherry picked sample based on a real experience and maybe would never happen again but it absolutely destroyed a 3/4 thick bone and shattered it into pieces. Damage beyond the bone was indecipherable. There was nothing but mush all the way into the heart and lungs. Once I deboned it I tried to get all the parts / fragments back together to take this photo.

I don't think you guys would publicly be assholes ... And maybe not even discreetly. But I suggest you wrap up those moose shoulder fragments with a 108eldm and send it to JVB for Christmas

 

[tony]

Hey guys weighing in here. I am working on a plan to get myself on JVB’s podcast to argue where I’m coming from / share my experiences and then vice versa for him to come and argue his points on ours. I think that will be a very good platform for both parties to discuss their viewpoints.

Admittedly this is all fun for me, everything kills and can kill well in the right hands. The shooter, way more than not, is going to be the limiting factor. Place any bullet into the vitals of any animal and it will die very quickly.

The entire point of doing the original podcast with Form was to become better informed and discuss potential ways we can become even more efficient and ethical hunters. We are debating not between black and white facts but gray areas that take nuanced thinking to decipher what is best over a large sample size. Not just one off, cherry picked examples.

My general philosophy is the Hunter / the shooter is almost always the problem whether that’s archery, rifles etc. and if we can find ways to make more accurate shots, more animals will die quickly and cleanly. A big problem is getting someone to even admit that they don’t shoot heavy recoiling rifles as well as lighter recoiling ones. You have to step aside from pride / emotion and just look at facts.

After his last podcast, that did piss me off. The first 10 minutes where he talks about how the 6 Creed performance was for us this season, the shots we took and their accuracy is at best extreme exaggeration and worst him just outright lying and distorting the facts. We killed 2 giant bodied Caribou and a 66” and 68” Bull Moose with extreme effectiveness. He tried to walk it back a little saying something along the lines of “maybe I got it wrong” but to even make public statements about how something happened with very little knowledge is highly irresponsible. Not something I could ever imagine doing on a podcast that goes out to thousands of listeners. It was frankly disgusting. I will address that as the very first topic when we chat.

I am confident by the end of both discussions he will at the very least have to admit smaller calibers, in the hands of an ethical and smart hunter, can and are extremely effective at killing large game.

Steve

A little fuel for the fire. Photo attached of the 66” Bull Moose front shoulder Justin shot at 404 yards. The 108 “just barely” got through the bone . This is just one random, cherry picked sample based on a real experience and maybe would never happen again but it absolutely destroyed a 3/4 thick bone and shattered it into pieces. Damage beyond the bone was indecipherable. There was nothing but mush all the way into the heart and lungs. Once I deboned it I tried to get all the parts / fragments back together to take this photo.

Joe basically called you a pussy because one of his sponsors had a complete shoulder rebuild and even, he can shoot a 6.5 prc, so why can't you.

I tried to take the middle road with JVB. I believe he has experience in hunting. Yet his experience is not science as he keeps parroting.
There are hundreds of pictures that show the results here. Dude has a serious 7prc fetish as well.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Steve, thanks for coming on and letting us know what you think.
I know we "piss ant" rifle guys are looking forward to an intelligent, experienced and educational podcast...........at least on your part.

Randy

 

[plebe]

Hey guys weighing in here. I am working on a plan to get myself on JVB’s podcast to argue where I’m coming from / share my experiences and then vice versa for him to come and argue his points on ours. I think that will be a very good platform for both parties to discuss their viewpoints.

Admittedly this is all fun for me, everything kills and can kill well in the right hands. The shooter, way more than not, is going to be the limiting factor. Place any bullet into the vitals of any animal and it will die very quickly.

The entire point of doing the original podcast with Form was to become better informed and discuss potential ways we can become even more efficient and ethical hunters. We are debating not between black and white facts but gray areas that take nuanced thinking to decipher what is best over a large sample size. Not just one off, cherry picked examples.

My general philosophy is the Hunter / the shooter is almost always the problem whether that’s archery, rifles etc. and if we can find ways to make more accurate shots, more animals will die quickly and cleanly. A big problem is getting someone to even admit that they don’t shoot heavy recoiling rifles as well as lighter recoiling ones. You have to step aside from pride / emotion and just look at facts.

After his last podcast, that did piss me off. The first 10 minutes where he talks about how the 6 Creed performance was for us this season, the shots we took and their accuracy is at best extreme exaggeration and worst him just outright lying and distorting the facts. We killed 2 giant bodied Caribou and a 66” and 68” Bull Moose with extreme effectiveness. He tried to walk it back a little saying something along the lines of “maybe I got it wrong” but to even make public statements about how something happened with very little knowledge is highly irresponsible. Not something I could ever imagine doing on a podcast that goes out to thousands of listeners. It was frankly disgusting. I will address that as the very first topic when we chat.

I am confident by the end of both discussions he will at the very least have to admit smaller calibers, in the hands of an ethical and smart hunter, can and are extremely effective at killing large game.

Steve

A little fuel for the fire. Photo attached of the 66” Bull Moose front shoulder Justin shot at 404 yards. The 108 “just barely” got through the bone . This is just one random, cherry picked sample based on a real experience and maybe would never happen again but it absolutely destroyed a 3/4 thick bone and shattered it into pieces. Damage beyond the bone was indecipherable. There was nothing but mush all the way into the heart and lungs. Once I deboned it I tried to get all the parts / fragments back together to take this photo.

I seem to recollect that some of the information in a (the?) Podcast you did with Form was incorrect regarding how much a rifle moves from recoil prior to a bullet exiting a barrel. As it pertained to the specific thesis of that podcast, it seemed to be consequentially relevant.

If you are planning to revisit the subjects of your discussion with Form, maybe that could get sorted as to the difference from what was stated and what actual values are, and how it translates directly to a shooter/error. Form I believe said he misspoke, as I recall. Or maybe I’ve had too much bourbon, lol, and am out to lunch. But I think I can re-find it.

Anyway, the bottom line might not change, but if there is as I recall something incorrect, it’d be worth hashing out since that’s why everyone craps on “fudds.”

Don’t really care what caliber folks use, just want accurate information circulating.

 

[roosiebull]

JVB sounds like a slightly more well spoken Forest Gump.

Ehhhh…

I think I would rather ride out a storm with Forest on his shrimp boat than listen to JVB’s volume 2 podcast

 

[Dave_S]

I couldn't make it through JVB's first attempt to tackle this. I have no idea how some of you were able to stomach a whole additional episode. Better men than me.

 

[HighUintas]

Ehhhh…

I think I would rather ride out a storm with Forest on his shrimp boat than listen to JVB’s volume 2 podcast

Yes I would actually rather listen to a 30hr filibuster given by Gump

 

[matchu865]

Looks like Desert Dog has also entered the chat. Watch till the end.

 

[Billy Goat]

Ehhhh…

I think I would rather ride out a storm with Forest on his shrimp boat than listen to JVB’s volume 2 podcast