First Wolf Kill of Livestock in Colorado

Indian Summer said:
While this may be true there are well organized extremely wealthy groups of people with an army of attorneys who are on a mission 24/7/365 to end hunting. They are funded by those 80% of people you say couldn’t care less because those people have pets and donate to animal cruelty funds which are in reality anti hunting groups.

Those groups have been extremely successful too. Take the case to suspend wolf hunting in Montana for example. Everyone… hunters, ranchers, non hunting locals, biologists, and Mt FWP themselves wanted a management plan that included hunting. By then elk moose and deer that had never seen a wolf before were dropping like flies and so was livestock. More noteworthy is the fact that by then we had something like quadrupled the population of wolves that were originally agreed on in the reintroduction proposal. They kept coming up with new reasons why we shouldn’t hunt wolves. It became “genetic diversity”. The wolves hadn’t yet spread to breed with other packs so they were said to be interbreeding. Really? Who gives a shit there were WAY more than the fn plan called for. Those groups of people paid for all that legal crap and eventually dropped it on the desk of Judge Malloy who, despite massive public comments and recommendations from the state said too bad no hunting.

The struggle is real. We lose more hunting opportunities every day and they will not stop until it’s outlawed. To the point…. wolves and and their sentimental value to animal lovers all over the world became the perfect tool to both generate millions in income for the antis while also replacing human hunters as the means to control big game numbers. Never mind the fact that you can’t tell wolves how many to kill or when to stop and there’s no turning back. They are cancer to the animals and to hunting.

And remember…. those “animal lovers” didn’t care one bit about the elk in Yellowstone being gutted by the thousands. Perfectly healthy herds of elk run to exhaustion in deep snow then killed and left to rot. They turned their heads to those bloody videos. They have no problem sacrificing the lives of literally thousands and thousands of other animals to accomplish their goal. So what does that tell you about their number one priority? Anti hunting!

It’s also to the point where it’s so lucrative that some of the people involved with anti hunting don’t really care about hunting one way or the other. It’s just a good business to get into. Unfortunately it’s not nearly as easy to make money by trying to preserve and promote the hunting heritage. Especially when younger generations are losing interest. It’s a scary and sad downward spiral it really is.
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Well said 👍
 
12wander said:
You must not understand how herd densities equate to quota numbers and opportunities. Don’t underestimate the capability of a population of k-9’s to decimate a population of ungulates.
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Yea, that's it. I don't understand that at all. LOL

You guys crack me up. Always make it personal if all else fails.

What happened to just state your case and let it stand? Guess that isn't good enough?
 
Newtosavage said:
Of course. Doesn't fit the narrative in your head, so therefore it's meaningless.

I'm out. I have no idea why I even engage in these wolf threads anymore. Pure emotion. No rational dialogue. Bye.
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Sounds familiar. When people state facts of exactly what has occurred with wolves in the last 26 years you’re out. First you claim the poster has a narrative in his head but you won’t have a real dialogue based in fact. Everything posted HAPPENED and some of us had front row seats.
 
Trap said:
Sounds familiar. When people state facts of exactly what has occurred with wolves in the last 26 years you’re out. First you claim the poster has a narrative in his head but you won’t have a real dialogue based in fact. Everything posted HAPPENED and some of us had front row seats.
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#facts. LOL okay.

I presented support for my opinions. They weren't necessarily in opposition to your opinions but some of you guys aren't satisfied until you "prove" someone wrong. Get over it man. I'm not your enemy. We're both hunters.
 
Newtosavage said:
Destroyed? Really?

That's AMAZING!

You don't know the difference between editorial opinion and actual fact based journalism. but that's none of my business I guess.
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The numbers are factual. From time to time I will intentionally take an opposing view on something for the sake of creating discussion. I’m not sure if that’s what you’re attempting to do? In some ways it’s somewhat obvious, but then you play the victim so I’m not sure.
 
12wander said:
The numbers are factual. From time to time I will intentionally take an opposing view on something for the sake of creating discussion. I’m not sure if that’s what you’re attempting to do? In some ways it’s somewhat obvious, but then you play the victim so I’m not sure.
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I just don't get the personal attacks. Attack the subject, not the person. The personal attacks are childish and serve no purpose. I don't buy in to the faux "journalism" created to get a particular response. So what. I have no idea why that should trigger anyone. Let it be man.
 
Leto said:
As the wolf population grows it’s def going to make life harder on the ranchers.. Time, $ and resources.
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Every business has risk. Most of those ranchers are subsidized by you and me and are grazing on our lands while denying us access to those lands. Meanwhile they inherit millions of dollars of property and live a charmed lifestyle. Hard for me to feel sympathetic. Do they work hard? Sure they do. But so do lots of people who don't get to live on 1000's of acres and control 1000's more. Big whoop. Cry me a river.
 
Newtosavage said:
Every business has risk. Most of those ranchers are subsidized by you and me and are grazing on our lands while denying us access to those lands. Meanwhile they inherit millions of dollars of property and live a charmed lifestyle. Hard for me to feel sympathetic. Do they work hard? Sure they do. But so do lots of people who don't get to live on 1000's of acres and control 1000's more. Big whoop. Cry me a river.
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While I agree with that with the exception of a charmed lifestyle. It is off subject.
 
Indian Summer said:
That is meaningless. Access to more places to hunt? We already have a bazillion square miles of national forest. This isn’t about access it’s about the mismanagement of predators and agendas driven by politics and money. What good is a place to hunt if everything is dead and you can’t hunt the animals that killed them? There’s your reality.

Go hunt the Selway or the Bob and let me know about opportunities.

To stay on track here…. are you trying to make a point that the reintroduction of wolves and the way they’ve been managed hasn’t taken away opportunities to view and hunt big game?
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Really, you're going to blame wolves for the lack of elk in the Bob?...fer crissakes.

Yeah early rifle rut hunts, dozens of outfitters, minimum of 11 weeks of constant pressure and shoulder seasons before and after when those elk migrate out...

Oh but it's the wolves.

The hunting in the Bob went to chit long before wolf reintroduction...fact.
 
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