First Wolf Kill of Livestock in Colorado

[Super tag]

the wolf in my previous post was one of 13 wolves caught in the act of eating birthing calves right out of the cow, four calves lost that morning alone, momma didn’t think about that did she?

 

[Trap]

Momma always said don't kill it unless you plan to eat it.

Makes me wonder how wolves taste.

They taste like crap don’t ask me how I know.

 

[Newtosavage]

the wolf in my previous post was one of 13 wolves caught in the act of eating birthing calves right out of the cow, four calves lost that morning alone, momma didn’t think about that did she?

what would the world do with four fewer cows. God forbid.

 

[Super tag]

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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[Trap]

This happens so often you have to dig up a 6 year old article...

Where are all the photos of this same thing happening prior to and after? There are none and why this one-off article gets brought up in every wolf discussion. It was an anomaly, perfect storm...fact.

Care to talk about the bitterroot elk calf mortality study on what is the leading cause of predation? How about the Idaho fg study on elk predation?

Probably not....because neither confirms your bias.

Nobody is arguing wolves kill deer, elk, and moose. But they aren't the only thing, by a gdamn country mile, impacting wild ungulate populations.

What I can tell you is prior to wolf reintroduction I could shoot one elk a year in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming.

After reintroduction I could, and have, shot multiple elk a year in both Montana and Wyoming. In fact I've shot 3 elk in Wyoming for the last several years. Yes, in areas that have wolves.

You going to argue I haven't?

Crap management has killed a lot of elk in both Idaho and Montana.

Finally if you and others are so concerned about wolf predation on elk...just curious how many wolf tags you've punched this year?

Maybe instead of crying and pouting about the wolf population...go do something about it. Ten tags a year in Montana, no limit or tag requirements in 2/3 of Wyoming, bunch of tags in Idaho too.

Do you eat 3 elk per year? Why are you taking 3 per year? Me and my son usually take a total 2 between us for a family of 5 that eats meat everyday. I still had a tag for a cow and could have shot one every day this year they were practically in my back yard but why? How much do you weigh? Probably one of those guys shoots a few in Montana and Idaho too and then bitches about all the extra seasons and tags they keep giving out in Montana? I can hear you now Damn fish and game is trying to kill all the elk with extended seasons and tags. Then shoot 3 elk in one state alone for multiple years. A real conservationist i see.

 

[BuzzH]

Do you eat 3 elk per year? Why are you taking 3 per year? Me and my son usually take a total 2 between us for a family of 5 that eats meat everyday. I still had a tag for a cow and could have shot one every day this year they were practically in my back yard but why? How much do you weigh? Probably one of those guys shoots a few in Montana and Idaho too and then bitches about all the extra seasons and tags they keep giving out in Montana? I can hear you now Damn fish and game is trying to kill all the elk with extended seasons and tags. Then shoot 3 elk in one state alone for multiple years. A real conservationist i see.

It's all the wolves fault. Shoulder seasons and multiple elk tags have no impact.

 

[Trap]

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It's all the wolves fault. Shoulder seasons and multiple elk tags have no impact.

Just re read your post you said multiple elk per year in Montana and Wyoming? Really? How many are cow tags. I bet you raise heck with the extra tags and shoulder seasons in Montana. That’s piss poor management isn’t it? I actually agree that Montana is way over doing harvest. You agree with that? But it’s ok if you shoot 3 in Wyoming and multiple elk in Montana? How many elk buzz? At least 5 maybe 6 elk for one guy. How many cows mr conservation? I shot 2 bulls in Idaho in 2017 (resident non res second tag) when my son didn’t get to hunt much and didn’t harvest. I probably won’t ever do that again. Kinda greedy when you think about it and why shoot a cow if you don’t need the meat ? How many baby makers did you take out over the last 5 years in Montana and Wyoming . I bet you get on your high horse when the fish and game extended seasons and added a bunch of cow tags? But hey I will personally shoot 5? Or 6 per year. Makes perfect sense. You probably don’t want too you just have to prove the wolves haven’t hurt the elk herds by over harvesting elk. I didn’t punch a wolf tag this year but I have in the past. We take bears and lions every year. Did you take out any predators or you just over harvest elk? Probably keeps a fella busy killing multiple elk in multiple states year after year. Can’t do it all plus you mentioned Idaho so gotta keep that population of elk in check too. Heck between the 3 states you might be killing 7 or 8?

 

[bayoublaster7527]

That's a daydream. And frankly the F&G agencies are there to serve the landowners and wildlife owners, both public and private. Their job these days is to present the best unbiased science they can, educate people on the consequences of each alternative, and then let the people tell them what to do. That's what public servants do.

What you're suggesting - allowing the F&G agencies to make the decisions - would sound to many like government control of public resources - which is exactly what most western landowners fight against, is it not?

CPW wildlife biologists weren’t allowed to present the facts, they were given a gag order by the governor because as soon as it becomes a ballot initiative it is political. Science goes right out the window. But don’t worry Buzz says nothing to worry about with wolf reintroduction, just keep your dogs on a leash and everything will be fine. Hahahaha.

 

[BuzzH]

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Just re read your post you said multiple elk per year in Montana and Wyoming? Really? How many are cow tags. I bet you raise heck with the extra tags and shoulder seasons in Montana. That’s piss poor management isn’t it? I actually agree that Montana is way over doing harvest. You agree with that? But it’s ok if you shoot 3 in Wyoming and multiple elk in Montana? How many elk buzz? At least 5 maybe 6 elk for one guy. How many cows mr conservation? I shot 2 bulls in Idaho in 2017 (resident non res second tag) when my son didn’t get to hunt much and didn’t harvest. I probably won’t ever do that again. Kinda greedy when you think about it and why shoot a cow if you don’t need the meat ? How many baby makers did you take out over the last 5 years in Montana and Wyoming . I bet you get on your high horse when the fish and game extended seasons and added a bunch of cow tags? But hey I will personally shoot 5? Or 6 per year. Makes perfect sense. You probably don’t want too you just have to prove the wolves haven’t hurt the elk herds by over harvesting elk. I didn’t punch a wolf tag this year but I have in the past. We take bears and lions every year. Did you take out any predators or you just over harvest elk? Probably keeps a fella busy killing multiple elk in multiple states year after year. Can’t do it all plus you mentioned Idaho so gotta keep that population of elk in check too. Heck between the 3 states you might be killing 7 or 8?

Go reread your post 181...you seem thoroughly confused. You said wildlife management should be left to the professionals. The professionals tell us that shooting elk for 6 months in Montana and multiple tags is not only ok, but necessary to control elk populations that you say are being "decimated" by wolves.

Wyoming wildlife professionals have determined it's necessary to allow 3 elk tags per hunter to control our elk numbers. Remember, you said it's up to the professionals to determine these things.

Why do you have a problem with their professional recommendations for multiple elk tags?

Why if wolves are decimating elk are the professionals within Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming recommending, allowing, and encouraging hunters to buy and fill multiple elk tags a year?

Finally, I'm sure you have NO problem with Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming offering 10 or more wolf tags per hunter a year via recommendation from those same wildlife professionals.

Does one hunter/trapper need to kill more than one wolf a year?

 

[Newtosavage]

CPW wildlife biologists weren’t allowed to present the facts, they were given a gag order by the governor because as soon as it becomes a ballot initiative it is political. Science goes right out the window. But don’t worry Buzz says nothing to worry about with wolf reintroduction, just keep your dogs on a leash and everything will be fine. Hahahaha.

I've seen that happen plenty of times here in TX too. Esp. with high fences, deer farming, bringing CWD deer across state lines for breeding, etc. I don't know a single state biologist who is in favor of any of that.

 

[Trap]

Go reread your post 181...you seem thoroughly confused. You said wildlife management should be left to the professionals. The professionals tell us that shooting elk for 6 months in Montana and multiple tags is not only ok, but necessary to control elk populations that you say are being "decimated" by wolves.

Wyoming wildlife professionals have determined it's necessary to allow 3 elk tags per hunter to control our elk numbers. Remember, you said it's up to the professionals to determine these things.

Why do you have a problem with their professional recommendations for multiple elk tags?

Why if wolves are decimating elk are the professionals within Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming recommending, allowing, and encouraging hunters to buy and fill multiple elk tags a year?

Finally, I'm sure you have NO problem with Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming offering 10 or more wolf tags per hunter a year via recommendation from those same wildlife professionals.

Does one hunter/trapper need to kill more than one wolf a year?

Ok I do think they should make the individual decisions . I just don’t understand why you would shoot that many? I’m assuming a large number of extra tags are cows? Why? I can shoot 2 lions per season in Idaho. We tree a lot and take a few nice Tom’s every year but most years I don’t even shoot one but will bring a freind that hasn’t. I don’t agree with everyone shooting 2 lions a year I think it’s to hard on the population. I choose to let lions go every year especially the females. I could legally take 2 ions every year but I don’t. Why are you personally killing that many elk? You can’t eat all that.. do you think the elk need population control? 10 percent of wolf trappers are getting 98 percent of the wolves. It’s difficult and they need to get more tags in the hand of those who Have the time, talent and money to get the job done. We are over 10x objective. So we should have unlimited wolf tags and we still will struggle with reducing the population. We never have reduced wolf numbers in Idaho even with more tags and seasons continually added for 15 years. I don’t know what you get out of shooting that many elk especially cow’s. Seems selfish to me but whatever it is legal so carry on .

 

[whaack]

I loath this new uptick in politics making biology based decisions for DNR across the country. Happening everywhere.

Liberal/progressive/woke culture WILL be the death of this nation.


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[KurtR]

Momma always said don't kill it unless you plan to eat it.

Makes me wonder how wolves taste.

Your momma was wrong. There’s all kinds of stuff that needs killing that unless it’s a nuclear apocalypse I am not eating.

 

[BuzzH]

Ok I do think they should make the individual decisions . I just don’t understand why you would shoot that many? I’m assuming a large number of extra tags are cows? Why? I can shoot 2 lions per season in Idaho. We tree a lot and take a few nice Tom’s every year but most years I don’t even shoot one but will bring a freind that hasn’t. I don’t agree with everyone shooting 2 lions a year I think it’s to hard on the population. I choose to let lions go every year especially the females. I could legally take 2 ions every year but I don’t. Why are you personally killing that many elk? You can’t eat all that.. do you think the elk need population control? 10 percent of wolf trappers are getting 98 percent of the wolves. It’s difficult and they need to get more tags in the hand of those who Have the time, talent and money to get the job done. We are over 10x objective. So we should have unlimited wolf tags and we still will struggle with reducing the population. We never have reduced wolf numbers in Idaho even with more tags and seasons continually added for 15 years. I don’t know what you get out of shooting that many elk especially cow’s. Seems selfish to me but whatever it is legal so carry on .

Elk hunting success rates are very low in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming. Those with the time, talent, and money need to get the job done on these over objective elk populations.

The over objective elk populations you claim are decimated by wolves.

 

[Newtosavage]

Your momma was wrong. There’s all kinds of stuff that needs killing that unless it’s a nuclear apocalypse I am not eating.

LOL

 

[Newtosavage]

I loath this new uptick in politics making biology based decisions for DNR across the country. Happening everywhere.

Liberal/progressive/woke culture WILL be the death of this nation.


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If you think this is anything new, you haven't worked around conservation very long. Except that it's always been the big landowners and most vocal pro-hunting org's politics that have driven every wildlife dept's decisions for basically ever. Just take a look at the DNR commission members in each state and you'll see how politics have always driven statewide "biology." What some of those celebrity commission members know about biology or ecology is beyond me. But yet there they are.

Just like in every other area right now, the balance of power is starting to shift away from the select few who have always had it. And that is freaking those people the hell out.

 

[Chucklehead]

Why would anyone think wolves are going to reduce elk hunting opportunities in Colorado? Have no idea....


Green is below objective BTW... Red is over.

 

[whaack]

If you think this is anything new, you haven't worked around conservation very long. Except that it's always been the big landowners and most vocal pro-hunting org's politics that have driven every wildlife dept's decisions for basically ever. Just take a look at the DNR commission members in each state and you'll see how politics have always driven statewide "biology." What some of those celebrity commission members know about biology or ecology is beyond me. But yet there they are.

Just like in every other area right now, the balance of power is starting to shift away from the select few who have always had it. And that is freaking those people the hell out.

It’s not new. They are just bolder and more brazen now then ever.


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[whaack]

Your momma was wrong. There’s all kinds of stuff that needs killing that unless it’s a nuclear apocalypse I am not eating.

Yup.


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[trophyhill]

Trusting anything the fed or any wolf group throw out there would be like trusting that Fauci tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth..........