Finally, some jail time.

[Q_Sertorius]

No license revocation or jail time will prevent them from doing it again.

So, if that’s the case, what’s your proposed punishment?

 

[realunlucky]

Part of any penalty process is to deter the next guy from committing the offense.

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[AZ8]

So, if that’s the case, what’s your proposed punishment?

Unfortunately, the courts are bound by the laws already in the books, and they favor the poacher. Stiff prison time would have to be changed in the Legislature, but that will never happen. That’s why this keeps happening.

30 days in the local jail doesn’t deter anyone.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

30 days in the local jail doesn’t deter anyone.

That’s manifestly untrue. That little itty-bitty misdemeanor sentence deters the overwhelming majority of people in our society. The fact that it doesn’t deter some short-sighted young men with undeveloped frontal lobes and some determined criminals does not mean it doesn’t deter anyone.

Would you risk going to local jail and a criminal conviction for a trophy buck? I sure as hell wouldn’t.

 

[Taco John]

Too bad they don't do this to all of them (MuleyFreak, Gritty, Lampers, Grey Light, Adam Greentree, etc.etc.)

Bomars

 

[Customweld]

These guys got what they deserved, but what they received seems much harsher than the Studer case. Which to me was way more involved in blatant criminal activity.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

These guys got what they deserved, but what they received seems much harsher than the Studer case. Which to me was way more involved in blatant criminal activity.

Agreed, but Karl Studer is a multimillionaire so he’s got that going for him with the criminal justice system.

Studer took how many elk and a moose out of unit 54 and got no jail time and only 5 years lost hunting privileges if I remember correctly? Not that I find any less value in mule deer personally but if they are going to use the draw odds for the place to justify the punishment most of unit 54 elk tags are 2-3% and a moose tag is less than 1% odds down there so Studer should probably be serving a life sentence


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[Customweld]

Agreed, but Karl Studer is a multimillionaire so he’s got that going for him with the criminal justice system.

Studer took how many elk and a moose out of unit 54 and got no jail time and only 5 years lost hunting privileges if I remember correctly? Not that I find any less value in mule deer personally but if they are going to use the draw odds for the place to justify the punishment most of unit 54 elk tags are 2-3% and a moose tag is less than 1% odds down there so Studer should probably be serving a life sentence


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That big bank account definitely helped him out. I think he ended up with only 1 count, which was the moose.

 

[Beendare]

When I saw the title...I was hoping it was going to be politicians going to Jail....thats OK, poachers are second best.

 

[RockAndSage]

That judge seemed pretty dialed in on the nature of what these guys did, and what it means to other hunters. Explicitly made the point that it's a unit that can easily take 10 years for someone to get drawn for. Also...he looks like a hunter, for some reason. Very happy to see him hammer these guys.

 

[wind gypsy]

Critiquing the punishment as guaranteeing future poaching is a stretch IMO. A poacher who can legally hunt doesn't have to hide the fact that he's going hunting from basically everyone. One that has received public media coverage of having lost his license forever? The fact that he can't mention hunting to near anyone without indicating he's poaching is a large deterrent.

30 days in the local jail doesn’t deter anyone.

How bad is everyone's life you're thinking about that they pay no mind to a 30 day stint in jail? That would be crushing for most people with a family, a job they need, etc.

 

[wind gypsy]

Agreed, but Karl Studer is a multimillionaire so he’s got that going for him with the criminal justice system.

Studer took how many elk and a moose out of unit 54 and got no jail time and only 5 years lost hunting privileges if I remember correctly? Not that I find any less value in mule deer personally but if they are going to use the draw odds for the place to justify the punishment most of unit 54 elk tags are 2-3% and a moose tag is less than 1% odds down there so Studer should probably be serving a life sentence

Didn't Karl make a big payment too?

 

[Customweld]

Didn't Karl make a big payment too?

180k

 

[AZ8]

How bad is everyone's life you're thinking about that they pay no mind to a 30 day stint in jail? That would be crushing for most people with a family, a job they need, etc.

My responses have been in reference to poaching. I can’t get in the mind of a poacher, nor think like one so can’t answer that question. Maybe they should think about their job and family before poaching? Seems like a simple concept, but again, I can’t relate to a poacher.

I’m far from perfect, but can say poaching has never crossed my mind in 50+ years in the field.

Though the straight and narrow may seem dull, it will keep you out of trouble.

 

[wind gypsy]

My responses have been in reference to poaching. I can’t get in the mind of a poacher, nor think like one so can’t answer that question. Maybe they should think about their job and family before poaching? Seems like a simple concept, but again, I can’t relate to a poacher.

I’m far from perfect, but can say poaching has never crossed my mind in 50+ years in the field.

Though the straight and narrow may seem dull, it will keep you out of trouble.

Well when folks look at consequences like a couple thousand $ fines and some community services I can see how not all are deterred. If they expected instead a month in the clink and lifetime ban that would probably dissuade more.

 

[RyanT26]

People will cheer for these regular guys getting jail time, but still defend their favorite influencer no matter what.

If this band of idiots would’ve simply put their kills on Instagram or made shitty YouTube videos about them, they would’ve got off of the slap on the wrist.

 

[AZ8]

Well when folks look at consequences like a couple thousand $ fines and some community services I can see how not all are deterred. If they expected instead a month in the clink and lifetime ban that would probably dissuade more.

We would hope, but these cases seem to continue. Even after this story, bet we read about more poaching cases in the future.

In this example, their jail time will be reduced to probation….just watch.

 

[wind gypsy]

We would hope, but these cases seem to continue. Even after this story, bet we read about more poaching cases in the future.

In this example, their jail time will be reduced to probation….just watch.

Most of the time the penalties aren't much different from the price of a NR tag and a year or two lost privileges. A lot easier to find such outcomes than it is people being jailed and losing hunting rights for a long period of time.

 

[amassi]

180k

Punishable for a fine= legal for a price.
Cheaper than governors tags


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[Customweld]

Punishable for a fine= legal for a price.
Cheaper than governors tags


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That seems to be how it worked out...