I agree with you on this, I love this idea/feature. The built in Prana belt never stays put for me but I love the idea of it if it were better executed. I used to have a pair of older style Sitka Timberlines with a built in belt. Looks like the newer models don't have that feature.I'd like for a company like kuiu to copy prana with an included lightweight "belt" but one that actually holds all day. Maybe even have material with holes like their Gaiters. That'd be a win. No need for hunting pants to have an additional belt