Evoke training vs MTN tough

[skipper907]

Been really enjoying the evoke back country hunting plan almost two months in. It is a challenge with the time commitment and trying to work things in

 

[Patriot2]

I am 64 yrs old and on week 6 with Evoke's 20 week plan. I am hanging with it pretty well - will be interesting to see how Colorado goes this fall. My knees are holding up better than I had hoped and I kinda enjoy the strength training although I keep weights pretty moderate as I have never needed more strength when hunting.

 

[jrotter06]

I've read Scott Johnston's book several times and I really think the best thing a feller could do is buy Training for the Uphill Athlete. It goes into the physiology of why we really need to be doing hours and hours below our aerobic threshold, and then support it with general strength and muscular endurance workouts.

When you read the book and get a base understanding of the science, plus the example weeks and traning plans included in the book. It becomes easy to create a plan taylored to you. Plus its $35 price tag is a little more appealing than the $80 dollar plan.

I did MTN Tough for a few months one Winter and really felt like it was just a Crossfit replica; and after reading the book its pretty apparent Crossfit and HIIT style training really don't give the endurance needed to excell in the backcountry.

I saw someone already mentioned it, but listeing to Scott on the Exo cast would be a really good place to start.

 

[jrotter06]

I've read Scott Johnston's book several times and I really think the best thing a feller could do is buy Training for the Uphill Athlete. It goes into the physiology of why we really need to be doing hours and hours below our aerobic threshold, and then support it with general strength and muscular endurance workouts.

When you read the book and get a base understanding of the science, plus the example weeks and traning plans included in the book. It becomes easy to create a plan taylored to you. Plus its $35 price tag is a little more appealing than the $80 dollar plan.

I did MTN Tough for a few months one Winter and really felt like it was just a Crossfit replica; and after reading the book its pretty apparent Crossfit and HIIT style training really don't give the endurance needed to excell in the backcountry.

I saw someone already mentioned it, but listeing to Scott on the Exo cast would be a really good place to start.

Additionally,

A change I've made from what the book calls for is all of my zone 1 and 2 is done with a 45 pound pack, much more sport specific than running.

 

[cornfedkiller]

I saw someone already mentioned it, but listeing to Scott on the Exo cast would be a really good place to start.

Do you have episode numbers? I see episodes with John Freih, but searching for Scott Johnson doesnt come up with anything.

 

[jrotter06]

Do you have episode numbers? I see episodes with John Freih, but searching for Scott Johnson doesnt come up with anything.

HUNT BACKCOUNTRY PODCAST 475 | PROVEN TRAINING METHODS FOR THE MOUNTAIN HUNTER — THE EXPERIENCE PROJECT

Here it is

 

[cornfedkiller]

HUNT BACKCOUNTRY PODCAST 475 | PROVEN TRAINING METHODS FOR THE MOUNTAIN HUNTER — THE EXPERIENCE PROJECT

Here it is

Thank you!

Apparently the search function on spotify doesn't search the descriptions.

 

[skipper907]

Thank you!

Apparently the search function on spotify doesn't search the descriptions.

Also podcast 577 and 574
if you go to the exo website podcast page and under categories click Fitness & Nutrition will bring up everything related you podcast numbers

 

[C.F.]

I’m currently 6 weeks into the 20 week evoke program. Now I haven’t been following the resistance training days as I carry a good enough amount of muscle and have been doing dedicated recovery training to fix both my Achilles that I injured running over the winter.
As for the zone two cardio days I’ve been doing them quite religiously. I’m up to 3 hours on my long day with a 20% body weight pack on. I haven’t found it difficult to find 3 hrs to carve out for the workout during my day.
I must say that I fully believe that this training will be tremendously valuable for chasing elk in the fall with my bow. I’m looking forward to see how capable I am by September.

 

[P Carter]

I’m currently 6 weeks into the 20 week evoke program. Now I haven’t been following the resistance training days as I carry a good enough amount of muscle and have been doing dedicated recovery training to fix both my Achilles that I injured running over the winter.
As for the zone two cardio days I’ve been doing them quite religiously. I’m up to 3 hours on my long day with a 20% body weight pack on. I haven’t found it difficult to find 3 hrs to carve out for the workout during my day.
I must say that I fully believe that this training will be tremendously valuable for chasing elk in the fall with my bow. I’m looking forward to see how capable I am by September.

Awesome, great work, report back on how it goes in the fall!

 

[hawkhunts]

Personally, I draw from elements of both camps.
Having what MTN Tough calls a solid chassis is super important, not only for hunting, but for capability in life and performance in any activity that you are doing.

But, a foundation of Zone 2 and a high aerobic threshold is undoubtably the metric that will offer probably the biggest performance advantage for mountain hunts.

Bonus points and a huge leg up if you have interests outside of hunting such as backcountry ski touring, mountain or road biking, nordic skiing etc. In that case you are building your foundation while at the same time enjoying life.

TLDR; Deadlifts + Squats are your strength and chassis foundation. Low and slow aerobic activities are your aerobic base. Lunges and rucking are your muscular endurance base. High intensity intervals & lifts sharpen the spear of the base you've formed.

This is what I’ve adopted. 15-16 miles of weighted rugs a week, a squat day, and a deadlift day. I do shoulders and back in conjunction with the leg days. I don’t think you can be too strong, especially core and posterior chai.