Ending trapping

[Okhotnik]

You're a broken record.

Tell us how much money and time you spent in NM to oppose this? Yeah, just what I thought, easy to run your mouth but you do/did nothing.

Its been pointed out on this thread this law passed with bi-partisan support in NM and only a couple NM based groups fought this, NMBHA being one.

Anytime you want to take the lead and actually jump in the arena, feel free. But, my guess is you'll do what you do best...nothing, as per always.

So how much money did BHA spend to fight shutting down sportsmen in NM? simple question.

 

[wind gypsy]

@Okhotnik - If you spend as much time working for sportsman as you do digging for excuses to shit on BHA, you're a hell of an asset.

I'm no longer a BHA member but I'm not sure there is an organization out there that represents hunters in a better light to the 97% of non-hunting american public who decide the fate of hunting. I've thrown my jabs but time is a lot better spent supporting common issues than it is talking shit.

 

[BuzzH]

So how much money did BHA spend to fight shutting down sportsmen in NM? simple question.

What did you do about the NM situation and how much money did you spend fighting it? Simple question.

 

[JPD350]

Easy to blame a few thousand people from CA moving in than it is to blame resident complacency. Blame whomever you prefer, it all comes down to residents not paying attention or taking things like this seriously. Oh, and when they don't live in California any longer, they aren't Californians they're New Mexicans. Enjoy...............


People blame the people from California because when this anti hunting/trapping started it started in CA and the people didn’t do anything about it. Now liberal politicians are rolling over top of the rest of the country. Calfornians should have fought. I don’t know what anyone else did but I wore my iPad out sending emails to the politicians in NM but they couldn’t care less about what an outdoorsman thinks today.
Blaming outfitters in NM is BS !

You can't leave the Outfitters out because they are an integral part of the "coalition" that has killed every bill they've wanted to, with one exception being the quota change a few years back. My only claim is that the coalition would have put more effort into killing this bill if there were a higher monetary value to trapping such as ungulates, as long as the private lands can still trap they would be okay and thats the effort the coalition put out.

 

[Okhotnik]

What did you do about the NM situation and how much money did you spend fighting it? Simple question.So BHA did nothing again for sportsmen and supports anti gun measures again

I emailed every state rep in NM

so BHA did nothing again for sportsmen? Being a BH rep thanks for clarifying this by not answering my question again. Maybe more pint nites will help sportsmen???:

But BHA supports politicians like this. she seems almost as anti gun as you

Deb Haaland on Gun Control

every time you reply it just makes more certain that quitting BHA was the right thing and continue to support real pro sportsmen orgs like RMEF, MDF, SCI.RGS,DU

 

[BBob]

Easy to blame a few thousand people from CA moving in than it is to blame resident complacency.

A few thousand? If it were just a few thousand we might stand a chance but it's far more than that.

In 2018 alone we (AZ) gained 68,516 californians. I don't know the political makeup of those numbers but by the last election results you can probably guess. I have no idea of this years numbers but it was a lot.

"From 2012 to 2018, an average of about 250,000 people per year migrated to Arizona from other states, with the largest contribution coming from California."

"The primary origin of newcomers to Arizona (2018) was, not surprisingly, California, which accounted for no less than 25% (68,516) out of the total number of new residents."

 

[BuzzH]

I emailed every state rep in NM

so BHA did nothing again for sportsmen? Being a BH rep thanks for clarifying this by not answering my question again. Maybe more pint nites will help sportsmen???:

But BHA supports politicians like this. she seems almost as anti gun as you

Deb Haaland on Gun Control

every time you reply it just makes more certain that quitting BHA was the right thing and continue to support real pro sportsmen orgs like RMEF, MDF, SCI.RGS,DU

Thanks for going all out...I'm sure the emails you sent from ID were pretty effective. Its already been pointed out exactly what NMBHA did to oppose SB32...up to you to comprehend that, not me.

As to Haaland, keep it on topic. But, the way it works, is that the sitting President gets to nominate candidates for these positions. They're confirmed by Congress. BHA, RMEF, SCI, etc. etc. do not get to pick the Candidates. They also get no confirmation votes either.

But, if in your troubled mind, you think BHA has the pull to get people nominated and confirmed by congress, I would suggest you rethink quitting BHA. Any group that could wield that kind of influence would be well suited to join and donate money to.

 

[Billinsd]

The Elephant in the room is the flood of legal and illegal immigrants. Who do these immigrants vote overwhelmingly for? Why is California a super majority Democrat state now? Why are there all of a sudden so many people, especially in southern border states? That and to a lesser degree, the sprawling cities.

 

[Billinsd]

30 trillion in debt and unrestricted immigration. What happens when the majority of voters don't pay federal taxes and vote for politicians to give them entitlements and print more money to pay for it? What happens when America has a super Democrate majority like California? California used to be Conservative and so was San Francisco.

 

[Fitzwho]

Don’t want this to pass, but don’t think for a second think it won’t. But I know a couple spots frequented by big bobcats and badgers that I’ll be happy to go predator calling after this passes and the Game & Fish legalizes hunting fur bearers on your standard hunting license.

Going to make it a point to predator hunt in NM from now on.

 

[MtGomer]

@Okhotnik reminds me of a broke, tattooed, enraged, woke pink haired feminist protester who’s Trump Derangement Syndrome makes it impossible for her to think about anything without blaming Trump, except he’s a grown man and it’s BHA instead.
Reeeee the patriarchy.reeeeeee

 

[wind gypsy]

What happens when the majority of voters don't pay federal taxes and vote for politicians to give them entitlements and print more money to pay for it?

Do you have a link on this? Last i saw it was something like 44% of americans didn't pay fed taxes and its only something like 11% of those at typical working age (25-55 YO). The old folks who make up the bulk of the non-fed tax payers are the only age demographic who favored Trump in 2020...

 

[Billinsd]

Do you have a link on this? Last i saw it was something like 44% of americans didn't pay fed taxes and its only something like 11% of those at typical working age (25-55 YO). The old folks who make up the bulk of the non-fed tax payers are the only age demographic who favored Trump in 2020...

I'm wrong that majority don't pay Federal taxes. Yes, you are right about old folks. https://taxfoundation.org/growing-percentage-americans-zero-income-tax-liability/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...-income-taxes-they-are-not-who-you-think/amp/

 

[BBob]

Do you have a link on this? Last i saw it was something like 44% of americans didn't pay fed taxes and its only something like 11% of those at typical working age (25-55 YO). The old folks who make up the bulk of the non-fed tax payers are the only age demographic who favored Trump in 2020...

Remember The 47 Percent Who Pay No Income Taxes? They Are Not Who You Think.

A close look at the 47 percent who pay no federal income tax finds that few are off the rolls for very long, and that many are either very old, very poor, or both.

www.forbes.com

And the progressives lie (no surprise) about who pays the bulk of taxes.

A closer look at who did (and didn’t) pay U.S. income tax in 2015

Taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more paid 58.8% of federal income taxes in 2015, but accounted for only 4.5% of all returns filed.

www.pewresearch.org

Who Pays Income Taxes?

(pdf) updated April 2024 It is a common refrain from some politicians that the rich are not paying their fair share of income taxes. This sentiment is echoed by findings from a Pew Research poll conducted last April, which indicated that a significant portion of respondents feel that wealthy...

www.ntu.org

 

[Mike Islander]

Almost anything that requires physical movement beyond tapping a glass surface is rapidly dying.

The virtual world satisfies the same brain chemistry as all the the actual creative things we grew up doing in the real world. Barring a conscious revolt against living a virtual life, the trend is toward a world where most people don't actually do anything in the real world that requires effort or practice.

 

[Mt Al]

30 trillion in debt and unrestricted immigration. What happens when the majority of voters don't pay federal taxes and vote for politicians to give them entitlements and print more money to pay for it? What happens when America has a super Democrate majority like California?

Look to Europe and the UK. Seems to me we're headed that direction: similar to US elitists, rich European progressives get to do what they want as they tell others how to live. Question them at your peril.

What's odd in CA is that they vote in wacko progressives, but often vote down liberal ballot initiatives. Part of this has to be similar to what happened in Georgia in the recent runoff - unelectable conservatives, so flawed that the 15/20% that could vote either way just couldn't vote for them.

Hope CA finds a good opponent to Newsom for the recall, not holding my breath.

 

[sneaky]

NM Public Land Trapping Ban Moves Forward

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Easier to bake up accusations than seek the truth. BHA was one of the only organizations to fight this.

Oooo.... they fought it one time. How's their record in MT, WY and ID? I can tell you, it's piss poor.

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[Billinsd]

What's odd in CA is that they vote in wacko progressives, but often vote down liberal ballot initiatives. Part of this has to be similar to what happened in Georgia in the recent runoff - unelectable conservatives, so flawed that the 15/20% that could vote either way just couldn't vote for them.

Yes, majority are not super liberal, yes pretty left of center moderates. The most liberal politicians seem to be the most charismatic and best at getting votes and play down their extreme views during elections. The majority of residents prefer an extremely liberal Democrat to any Republican, but would probably prefer a moderate Democrat. When it comes to a ballot measure that's real black and white, and extremely liberal it gets voted down usually.

Hope CA finds a good opponent to Newsom for the recall, not holding my breath.

Yes, me too. I like Cox but he's very Conservative and doesn't have a chance. I think the phoney RHINO former Republican Mayor of SD, whose all in on global warming and getting rid of fossil fuels has the best chance. The recall didn't become a reality, because Newsome is so liberal, it's HIS HYPOCRISY ON COVID, and getting caught twice. This was his downfall.

 

[Billinsd]

Several buddies from other states have said the problem with California is its beautiful weather and easy life. It makes some people soft and weak. My buddy from Pennsylvania said the country is a pin board and when you tilt it all the loose pins from the East fall in California!!

 

[Danomite]

I’m afraid banning trapping on public land is just the beginning here. There were more anti-outdoors and firearm bills introduced in the NM legislature this year than I have ever seen. Requiring all firearms to be locked in a safe unless in use, prohibiting possession of “ghost guns” (e.g., 80% ARs), making Game and Fish a wildlife conservation agency with a new mission to conserve all wildlife (not just game), etc. I called the representatives and senators on every committee by which the bills were considered to voice opposition. Luckily the session ended yesterday and nothing passed except the trapping bill.

I think next will be prohibiting lion and bear hunting and more firearm restrictions. It’s depressing to see the state heading in this direction. It seems things ratchet towards fewer hunting opportunities and more restrictions but never the other way.