Ending trapping

[Coveyleader]

I live in CO have a pretty good feel for what the steady stream of CA plates have done to the state.

 

[Rob5589]

Not all that true. 40% of new Idaho residents are from California. It has made a difference.

what you call complacency is actually conservatism. As in, let me live my life with as little interference as possible as I’ll let you live yours. The problem is the people moving here, and the left in general are so bored with their own lives they also want to run yours and mine. That’s a simple fact.

It's well beyond the time to take notice of those new Idahoans. That or end up like California.

 

[Traveler]

What is the actual situation/status with this? There wasn’t an article or reference in the OP and some searching only turns up anti-trapping legislation clearing hurdles, not actually becoming law. Is trapping officially illegal?

 

[BBob]

It was hard to believe at the time but AZ banned trapping way back in 1994. I knew many hunters that were okay with it at the time. It passed pretty easily if I recall. I can't remember the catalyst anymore that brought it on.

As to CA imports, we're on our 3rd wave of them in my adult lifetime and look where AZ is now. We've had hordes of them move here on this recent one. Used to be pretty solid conservative, now we're on the flip side of the bubble and it's probably worse now going forward.

 

[BBob]

What is the actual situation/status with this? There wasn’t an article or reference in the OP and some searching only turns up anti-trapping legislation clearing hurdles, not actually becoming law. Is trapping officially illegal?

New Mexico Legislature approves trapping ban on public land

Trapping ban on public land heads to New Mexico governor

In addition to outlawing the use of traps, Senate Bill 32 would prohibit the use of snares and wildlife poison on public land.

www.santafenewmexican.com

 

[Traveler]

New Mexico Legislature approves trapping ban on public land

Trapping ban on public land heads to New Mexico governor

In addition to outlawing the use of traps, Senate Bill 32 would prohibit the use of snares and wildlife poison on public land.

www.santafenewmexican.com

Thanks. Does seem surprising.

 

[sneaky]

It's well beyond the time to take notice of those new Idahoans. That or end up like California.

They have no intention of becoming Idahoans. They can't wait til it becomes Far Northern California. You can use whatever idiotic reasoning you want, but your fellow Californians are like locusts.

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[cal30_sniper]

What’s even more interesting, there are “hunters”, probably some on even this site, that support ending trapping.

The woke, pint night, anti predator hunting BHA crowd makes me want to throw up.

NM Public Land Trapping Ban Moves Forward

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Easier to bake up accusations than seek the truth. BHA was one of the only organizations to fight this.

 

[JPD350]

What ticks me off is that last year the G&F bent over backwards and made solid changes in trapping to address their issues yet they still pushed this thru, there is zero compromise, zero understanding and care about the other side of any issue. And yes progressive leftists are like the plague seeping out of California, Oregon, Washington, Chicago, New York and a few more. They don't give a dam about rural America.

Also the Landowners and Outfitters who claim to be friends to the hunters are a bunch of self serving blowhards who act they same way as the progressive leftists. They can fight and kill a bill against adding 3 animals to the wanton waste law and amending the Jennings law but yet they can't hardly lift a finger to help the trapping industry, they fought to keep trapping on private land but barely a fight for the public trapping. Trapping isn't a money maker for them but ungulates are, they did just enough to make it look like they cared but the reality is they can virtually get any bill killed as long as it suits them.

 

[Outlaw99]

Did the governor actually sign off on it yesterday?

 

[roadrunner]

The hunters and trappers are a small group. And we seem to just take it and not say anything. Sad. Wish we had more of voice

It's because hunters, trappers, and sportsmen in general are infected with the mindset of always taking the "high road". It may well be the time to hit them where it hurts, in their conveniences of life.

Sure, it's going to hurt our pocket book, but imagine the attention of theirs you will get when you refuse to open shop to anyone for an oil change, car trouble, utility/service delivery just to name a few.

The days of being politically involved and pushing the importance of voting are over. There are too many people that are indifferent enough for it to even matter anymore. The other half are too worried about keeping their 3/4 ton diesel pulling the 5th wheel toy hauler ahead of momma's Lincoln Navigator to be vocal too much as they don't want to lose that good paying job because their household is one paycheck away from being bankrupt.

The only thing we can actually have hope for is all this idiocy being pushed will result in some very bad and painful lessons resulting from hardships to usher in the much needed reset. Covid-19 wasn't it...

 

[roadrunner]

Not all that true. 40% of new Idaho residents are from California. It has made a difference.

what you call complacency is actually conservatism. As in, let me live my life with as little interference as possible as I’ll let you live yours. The problem is the people moving here, and the left in general are so bored with their own lives they also want to run yours and mine. That’s a simple fact.

Conservatism is keeping traditional values in place, Libertarianism is let me live my life with as little interference as possible as I'll let you live yours.

The complacency part is from everyone being wrapped up in their careers and hobbies too much to even notice the death by a thousand cuts taking place.

True statement about the left being bored to death and want you to be as miserable as they are...

 

[roadrunner]

Easy to blame a few thousand people from CA moving in than it is to blame resident complacency. Blame whomever you prefer, it all comes down to residents not paying attention or taking things like this seriously. Oh, and when they don't live in California any longer, they aren't Californians they're New Mexicans. Enjoy.

They are still Kalifornians. True New Mexicans aren't this stupid...

 

[cal30_sniper]

What ticks me off is that last year the G&F bent over backwards and made solid changes in trapping to address their issues yet they still pushed this thru, there is zero compromise, zero understanding and care about the other side of any issue. And yes progressive leftists are like the plague seeping out of California, Oregon, Washington, Chicago, New York and a few more. They don't give a dam about rural America.

Also the Landowners and Outfitters who claim to be friends to the hunters are a bunch of self serving blowhards who act they same way as the progressive leftists. They can fight and kill a bill against adding 3 animals to the wanton waste law and amending the Jennings law but yet they can't hardly lift a finger to help the trapping industry, they fought to keep trapping on private land but barely a fight for the public trapping. Trapping isn't a money maker for them but ungulates are, they did just enough to make it look like they cared but the reality is they can virtually get any bill killed as long as it suits them.

Let’s not let the crossover Rs who were instrumental in passing this off the hook either. It only passed by one vote, with two of those in favor being Republicans that crossed sides (4 rural Dem voted against).

It would be a huge stretch to say Republican anti-public land party politics caused this, but I do think it at least played a part.

You’re spot on about the landowners and outfitters. They’re the primary political bulwark against most anti-sportsman movements in NM, but in this case, as with many others, the pocketbook motivation just isn’t there for them.

 

[Brooks]

Easy to blame a few thousand people from CA moving in than it is to blame resident complacency. Blame whomever you prefer, it all comes down to residents not paying attention or taking things like this seriously. Oh, and when they don't live in California any longer, they aren't Californians they're New Mexicans. Enjoy...............


People blame the people from California because when this anti hunting/trapping started it started in CA and the people didn’t do anything about it. Now liberal politicians are rolling over top of the rest of the country. Calfornians should have fought. I don’t know what anyone else did but I wore my iPad out sending emails to the politicians in NM but they couldn’t care less about what an outdoorsman thinks today.
Blaming outfitters in NM is BS !

 

[Okhotnik]

NM Public Land Trapping Ban Moves Forward

Backcountry Hunters & Anglers is the voice for our wild public lands, waters and wildlife.

www.backcountryhunters.org

Easier to bake up accusations than seek the truth. BHA was one of the only organizations to fight this.

How much money and resources did BHA use to fight this very important anti sportsmen's law?

appreciate a link and I searched BHA and found no funding or resources on their site to fight this.Just like the Colorado wolf introduction. I see a lot of other press releases though indicating how money they donated to other less important puff issues.

 

[Rob5589]

People blame the people from California because when this anti hunting/trapping started it started in CA and the people didn’t do anything about it. Now liberal politicians are rolling over top of the rest of the country. Californians should have fought. I don’t know what anyone else did but I wore my iPad out sending emails to the politicians in NM but they couldn’t care less about what an outdoorsman thinks today.
Blaming outfitters in NM is BS !

Very common to say "Californians should have fought/voted," etc. We fight, more than other states most likely. Because we have to. With help, a bear hunting ban was recently defeated, if only temporarily. There are also multiple lawsuits in the works regarding guns, ammunition, magazines, mail order items, etc.

The old saying is/was "As California goes, so does the nation," and it looks as though it is coming true. Nobody outside of CA wanted to believe it. They just assumed it would never happen; that is the complacency. Well, it's happening; looking at you CO, WA, OR, AZ, etc.

Do not also think a hunter is a hunter; people have different opinions of hunting techniques. There are plenty of hunters that despise trapping, hounding, baiting. You're fighting against those people as well.

Don't take my posts as defending Ex-Californians because there aren't; this is a warning to stay vigilant before what has happened here becomes the norm everywhere. Blame ex-Californians all you want but, everyone better start paying attention to all those CA plates rolling into a town near you.


P.S. I have never hunted NM or plan to and have never trapped. But I too sent emails with one specifically to Grisham the other day. It was just the right thing to do. And being in Kalifornia, I can easily see the writing on the wall. Hope everyone else does.

 

[Okhotnik]

Let’s not let the crossover Rs who were instrumental in passing this off the hook either. It only passed by one vote, with two of those in favor being Republicans that crossed sides (4 rural Dem voted against).

It would be a huge stretch to say Republican anti-public land party politics caused this, but I do think it at least played a part.

You’re spot on about the landowners and outfitters. They’re the primary political bulwark against most anti-sportsman movements in NM, but in this case, as with many others, the pocketbook motivation just isn’t there for them.

so anti public lands republicans funded this anti sportsmen's initiative? Provide a link please to support this.

A New Dawn

New Mexican leaders Rep. Deb Haaland and Commissioner Stephanie Garcia Richard challenge the past to cultivate a new ethic of coexistence.

wildearthguardians.org

This well funded anti hunting, anti gun organizations seem pretty happy that rappiung was terminated and are very happy NM Rep Haaland is the new Sect of the Interior. BHA very enthusiastically supported Haaland too. In fact every radical anti hunting organization supports Haaland. hmmm

hmmmm

 

[cal30_sniper]

so anti public lands republicans funded this anti sportsmen's initiative? Provide a link please to support this.

A New Dawn

New Mexican leaders Rep. Deb Haaland and Commissioner Stephanie Garcia Richard challenge the past to cultivate a new ethic of coexistence.

wildearthguardians.org

This well funded anti hunting, anti gun organizations seem pretty happy that rappiung was terminated and are very happy NM Rep Haaland is the new Sect of the Interior. BHA very enthusiastically supported Haaland too. In fact every radical anti hunting organization supports Haaland. hmmm

hmmmm

I don’t think I need to go to any trouble to link Republicans with anti-public land. It’s far better documented than your claims about BHA. Try published party platform?

There are multiple press releases on BHA’s NM chapter website in opposition to this bill. They were also present during the very limited public commentary on this bill in opposition. Were you? Did you have any links to establish your claim of BHA being in support of banning public land trapping in NM, or are you exempt from the requirement you put on others to substantiate their claims with evidence?

 

[BuzzH]

How much money and resources did BHA use to fight this very important anti sportsmen's law?

appreciate a link and I searched BHA and found no funding or resources on their site to fight this.Just like the Colorado wolf introduction. I see a lot of other press releases though indicating how money they donated to other less important puff issues.

You're a broken record.

Tell us how much money and time you spent in NM to oppose this? Yeah, just what I thought, easy to run your mouth but you do/did nothing.

Its been pointed out on this thread this law passed with bi-partisan support in NM and only a couple NM based groups fought this, NMBHA being one.

Anytime you want to take the lead and actually jump in the arena, feel free. But, my guess is you'll do what you do best...nothing, as per always.