Elk Bullets - LRX vs HHT

[BAKPAKR]

I shoot Hammers and LRX in a couple of rifles and killed game with both this season. With respect to your comment above, the slight BC edge to the LRX is eliminated by the speed you can achieve. I can drive a 162 HHT to 3090 in my 7mm Rem Mag but have to drop to a 145 LRX to achieve that speed. A comp weight LRX will be slower than a HHT due to surface contact relief.

Had the same in my .300 Rem Mag: the 182 HHT is about 140 FPS faster than the 175 LRX. Drop and drift are more affected inside 600 by the higher speed than a couple of points on the BC label.

From my limited experience, I would agree with you. My speeds at pressure with Barnes bullets have been lower than the speed at pressure with cup and core bullets of the same weight. Hammer bullets seem to meet or beat cup and core speeds.

 

[glock233]

Dear internet: I’m trying to get good reliable transportation for my 10 mile morning commute. I’ve had trouble getting my Yugo to be reliable and get me to work fast enough.

I’ve ruled out a Toyota Camry and all other sedans, SUVs, and pickups.

I’m considering switching to a unicycle or skate board. Which would you recommend? I considered a bicycle but they’re hard to find right now.

Anyway the answer is ELDX or ELDM, or a Berger. And definitely not monometals.

 

[Unclecroc]

Dear internet: I’m trying to get good reliable transportation for my 10 mile morning commute. I’ve had trouble getting my Yugo to be reliable and get me to work fast enough.

I’ve ruled out a Toyota Camry and all other sedans, SUVs, and pickups.

I’m considering switching to a unicycle or skate board. Which would you recommend? I considered a bicycle but they’re hard to find right now.

Anyway the answer is ELDX or ELDM, or a Berger. And definitely not monometals.

You ever use a Hammer or a McGuire? Nothing wrong with cup and core bullets but newer style shed nose monos are not the mono bullets of yesteryear.
Stating going from a Berger or eld-m to a mono is like going from a car to bicycle is not quite fair.

 

[glock233]

You ever use a Hammer or a McGuire? Nothing wrong with cup and core bullets but newer style shed nose monos are not the mono bullets of yesteryear.
Stating going from a Berger or eld-m to a mono is like going from a car to bicycle is not quite fair.

It’s only overstated by degree. They mono bullets of yesteryear were dogshit and we’ve been promoted to just horseshit.

And yes, I’ve had hammers for close range meat hunts and one other use case. They’re terrible at mid-to-long range, in comparison to lead bullets.

Everything kills fine at close range and good velocity, including hammers and mono metals. It’s the edges of your range and intended use where you start to have problems. That area is when bullet choice matters.

And we’re got even getting into ease of establishing accuracy. Monos are finicky IME.

Here’s ELDx from my 7mm:



Here’s 177 Hammer from the same gun (real data):





This is out of a 24” barrel 7prc. LRXBT gives you an extra 50 yards. Best you can do with monos. The lighter hammers would obviously be worse.

The reality is, if I want my range capped at 650-700 yards, I can shoot a 16-18” Creed with a sensible bullet.

 

[Unclecroc]

It’s only overstated by degree. They mono bullets of yesteryear were dogshit and we’ve been promoted to just horseshit.

And yes, I’ve had hammers for close range meat hunts and one other use case. They’re terrible at mid-to-long range, in comparison to lead bullets.

Everything kills fine at close range and good velocity, including hammers and mono metals. It’s the edges of your range and intended use where you start to have problems. That area is when bullet choice matters.

And we’re got even getting into ease of establishing accuracy. Monos are finicky IME.

Here’s ELDx from my 7mm:

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Here’s 177 Hammer from the same gun (real data):

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This is out of a 24” barrel 7prc. LRXBT gives you an extra 50 yards. Best you can do with monos. The lighter hammers would obviously be worse.

The reality is, if I want my range capped at 650-700 yards, I can shoot a 16-18” Creed with a sensible bullet.

If long range is intended use then yes a cup and core is definitely the better option. I’ve shot game at 500 with both a hammer and a Berger in couldn’t tell you the difference in lethality. The hammer left a much more prominent blood trail.
But inside 500 the hammer doesn’t give up anything to a cup and core in the terminal end of things.
But I will agree after 500 the higher bc and lower expansion velocity of the eldm or Berger is the way to go.