I was just gonna post this. Also looking at limiting license time by NR's.Montana about to pass some new regs. Residents only for the first two weeks of September.
I was just gonna post this. Also looking at limiting license time by NR's.Montana about to pass some new regs. Residents only for the first two weeks of September.
Yea, they need to limit the amount of time a license is good for NRProbably a long time coming. Too many retirees spending months on end shooting limit after limit.
I'd like them to do that with Sage grouse here. Or at least do a SG stamp just to see how many folks are hunting themYea, they need to limit the amount of time a license is good for NR
Probably a long time coming. Too many retirees spending months on end shooting limit after limit.
Probably depends on how many limits and how long they stay. But I could see how locals could take offense to such behavior.Is it a drain on the resource?
Probably depends on how many limits and how long they stay. But I could see how locals could take offense to such behavior.
Yes....Do they take offense to folks eating in their restaurants, shopping in their grocery stores, filling up at their gas stations?
I'm not saying all the people that go to Montana hunt for months on end, but some do, obviously. Apparently it's gotten to the point where the revenue is no longer worth the disrespectful (perceived) behavior. Prime example was a case back in 2016 where a forum hero got caught exceeding possession limits, poaching out of season, etc.Do they take offense to folks eating in their restaurants, shopping in their grocery stores, filling up at their gas stations?
I'm not saying all the people that go to Montana hunt for months on end, but some do, obviously. Apparently it's gotten to the point where the revenue is no longer worth the disrespectful (perceived) behavior. Prime example was a case back in 2016 where a forum hero got caught exceeding possession limits, poaching out of season, etc.
I doubt it would have an overall impact on bird numbers, but locally absolutely.
I agreeYou're talking about Roy from Arizona I bet?
I get it, kinda. I've been up to Scobey early, this was 2008 ish, and there were folks around. Then we started going more central Montana and later and we always had the run of the place.
To be clear I think some sort of limitations on NR's are okay. I think limiting total take would be more tolerable than limiting time.
if you hunt central Montana nowadays you definitely don’t have the “run of the place” anymore. It’s no different than eastern Montana now.You're talking about Roy from Arizona I bet?
I get it, kinda. I've been up to Scobey early, this was 2008 ish, and there were folks around. Then we started going more central Montana and later and we always had the run of the place.
To be clear I think some sort of limitations on NR's are okay. I think limiting total take would be more tolerable than limiting time.
if you hunt central Montana nowadays you definitely don’t have the “run of the place” anymore. It’s no different than eastern Montana now.
Definitely the case. With a fall like this year it was that way through December.Is that the case in October?
Why don’t they make training dogs on public land illegal. That’s what they do here.I went to a meeting to hear the reasons for the proposed rule changes were.
Reasons given:
NR bird dog trainers were training dogs before the season opened. On opening day the NR dog owners were joining the trainer and getting their limits because the trainer knew exactly where the birds were because he spent weeks training the new bird dogs on the birds.
Proposed Rule change:
Limit days for bird dog training and not let the NR's just come join their dogs and trainer to limit out each day on opening week.
I went looking for facts, and my observation was:
I spoke with a dog trainer from MI with a travel trailer and dog kennels training bird dogs for his clients in Eastern MT. He had 12 dogs. I drove further down the gravel road and saw more camps with dog kennels.
There are probably a couple hundred dogs being trained on wild birds in MT by NR trainers.
My personal conclusion:
The residents asking for rule changes have valid reasons.